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1 hour ago, Hometownclub said:

2015/2016 season we were safe with 2 games to go, our last 2 matches were away at Millwall lost 3-0 and at home to Coventry which we also lost 2-0.

If that's not on the beach I don't know what is.

2016/2017 we were safe after we beat Bolton at home 1-0, we then played 3 more games and failed to win any of them, Bristol Rovers away lost 1-0, Rochdale home drew 1-1 and Wimbledon away drew 0-0.

Teams do ease up after they get safe.

 

So your example of every club being on the beach is us over the last few years who have been nothing but shit consistently all season and constantly fighting for our lives. 

Any stats from other clubs over a long period or just opinion. 

We didn't win in 9 against any other teams who 'were on the beach' I assume your argument for that is because we are crap because all our holidaying opponents picked up points which doesn't fit your theory.

3 minutes ago, Hometownclub said:

It's not bollocks, it is noticeable that when teams become safe after being in relegation battles they take their foot off the gas (despite all the massive bonuses).

Latics under Sheridan the previous 2 seasons did it, when we were safe with a couple of games to go, its human nature.

 

Regardless of this , to not be able to win a single one of those last eight games when we weren't playing any of the top teams in the division is poor.

would love to see some stats to back that up rather than just the standard line trotted out year on year. Back in the day we always finished the season strong even with nothing to play for.

26 minutes ago, Hometownclub said:

Anyone who watched us in our last eight games, when we only needed to win one of those games, and yet couldn't win any (despite playing several teams who were already on the beach), would rightly have us a shorter price for relegation next season than promotion

 

We were an absolute disgrace.

'despite playing several teams who were already on the beach'

I keep seeing this which makes me wonder... once a club are safe do their players no longer get their appearance bonus, goal bonus, win bonus etc. Do they no longer need to pay to win a new contract or a move?

We should have picked up the win but this on the beach line is complete bollocks!

25 minutes ago, b0ndl1ne said:

Dummigan is class going forwards, admittedly not the best defensively but we missed him badly last season after he got injured. Retains possession well, is skilful and gets up and down the line well. 

 

He he would be a big miss if he goes and we wouldn’t replace him with anyone as good

Unfortunately class seems to get mistaken with being busy. He goes forward a lot and is an option more often than not. But his crossing ability is poor and besides 1 wondr hit vs Bradford I cant remember him actually doing anything of note going forward in 2 years. 

On ‎16‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 9:23 AM, BP1960 said:

 

Get the business done early then have a holiday, don't leave it late like last years goalkeeper shambles.

The season finished last week! Bury did all there business early last year...how much better did that work out for them?

1 minute ago, UsedtobeWozzer said:

Alexander-Arnold is going to be a star and no problem with him going, Welbeck’s scoring record for England compares well with most. The other two I’ll give you. 

Arnold is too young and hadn't played one game for England despite being a Liverpool player all year, why not play him in a friendly? he will be a star in 2 years...

Crouch has a better record  

Goalkeepers: Jack Butland (Stoke), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Nick Pope (Burnley)

Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Kyle Walker, John Stones (Manchester City), Harry Maguire (Leicester), Kieran Trippier, Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Phil Jones, Ashley Young (Manchester United).

Midfielders: Eric Dier, Dele Alli (both Tottenham Hotspur), Jesse Lingard (Manchester United), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Fabian Delph (Manchester City), Ruben Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea)

Forwards: Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal) Harry Kane (Tottenham)

Standby: Tom Heaton, James Tarkowski (Burnley), Lewis Cook (Bournemouth), Jake Livermore (West Brom) and Adam Lallana (Liverpool).

Danny fk'n Welbeck and Ashley fk'n Young!?

Fabien Delph and Alex-Arnold ?

Decisions based on their club, if elsewhere they wouldn't have had a sniff!

Thoughts?

We need a manger who can make a good star,t get some points on the board and unite the fans behind him due to attractive/exciting football and plenty of goals.

Can anyone name a manager who may have started his managerial career similar to that description less than 12 months ago?

Sometimes it doesn't work out how you hope partly due to a massive learning curve and unforeseen/behind the scene circumstamces...

If he doesn't have to put up with the same shit off the field imo RW will come good and hate id for him to succeed elsewhere because we didn't take how shit Oldham Athletic is run into account. 

18 hours ago, Lee Sinnott said:

I saw the other day that John Welsh has been  released by Preston. He would be exactly what we are after -  a no nonsense midfielder and a leader to match...

Someone like him would be perfect who can keep us disciplined. Keeping the likes of Byrne in tow and when he spits his dummy. If Byrne hasn't moved on that is..

Swindon had similar with Douglas a few years ago. We need that experience in the middle of the park

18 minutes ago, markgaston said:

I thought he got these boards from Chinese investors that he was working to get on board sometime last year. At the time I assumed they were simply supplied as some sort of sponsorship deal and never ours?

No as I understand and happy to be corrected. A large amount of money raised by the fans for an electronic scoreboard went towards the board as a scoreboard was to expensive. 

1 minute ago, GlossopLatic said:

While investing in a new pitch would obviously help what happens when we go away from home? Most league 1 pitches cut up in the second half of the season can anyone see that improving in league 2? 

 

Our biggest problem was that were not able to grind out results in the 2nd half of the season something we did very well in the previous 2 seasons.

 

If its a choice between a brand spanking new pitch as opposed to a squad who have a Plan A and a Plan B to adapt to the change in conditions Id rather we go with the later.

We drew those games! so fix our pitch play free flowing football at home and smash everyone out of sight and draw the away games. Top 3 guranteed

twitterati saying Corney is taking the advertising boards 

as he hasn't fucked us enough this last year

anybody surprised at Benteke being in talks?

The pitch has to be sorted a priority!

There is zero point in blaming the pitch conditions for the style of play change if all that's going to happen is by January we have the same issue again only against sides that would prefer teams to go direct.

1 minute ago, Hands on said:

Well a contrite Wellens attempting to be upbeat.  They know who they want to keep and who to get rid.  Players of character.  Pity they disciplined one of the players of character and shot themselves in the foot.

depends what he did though, if it is to be believed he's been caught insulting other players in his native tounge then he's a bad character and not what we need.

for those in need of an apology you got one...

Just now, johnafoafc said:

Pete Winklemen from the franchise issued an apology to the fans and has promised to provide them with one of the largest budgets in league 2. Not sure about Bury or Northampton though.

One good reason not too! The last thing we want is to be like those twats at Franchise!

Just now, oafc1955 said:

 

Not so much an apology but just some sort of statement would be welcomed. AL has been almost a recluse in his short time at the club and I think it’s about time he gave supporters an insight as to how he intends to move the club forward, especially following our relegation to league 2!

Whether he expected relegation or survival a plan should already have been drawn up for either scenario.

He's been far from a recluse. He's done a couple of interviews and has been at every game. 

Has any club relegated or otherwise released a statement of intent or plan to go forward? The season ended 2 days ago.

4 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

And will the interviewer ask petinent questions like what's next season's budget, will there be an influx of imports and is Simon Corney still with the club

 

Yeah, he'll ask for the names of transfer targets, the current wage of  'star' players, he'll get up to the bottom of if Fane was injured, how much the club was sold for and solve the mystery off who shot JFK! Definitely one to watch!

I mean, no, no he won't ask anything like that!

1 minute ago, Magic Mikey said:

He's heading down towards his level. 

As is the whole squad!

I don't understand this need for an apology in today's football. You support you team good or bad and they shouldn't apologise because it didn't work out how we all hoped.

30 years plus watching, I'm not expecting the club to say sorry and I'll be there next season.

As for a plan for next season this season ended Saturday and things change especially plans when you get relegated. 

Another thing I have read often is that 'our best player' Byrne was played out of position where he has little effect. Now ok if you think he was out of position wide then when he did play central what did he do that was so effective that made him so undroppable.

I swear I watched him most of the season coming central all game no matter his starting position and only producing something of note in about 1 in every 5 or 6 games or less. He was arguably his most effective after having been dropped which I would class a very good management wouldn't you? 

This is by no means a post saying Byrne is a bad player just one asking simply does our 'best player' actually give us enough wide or central? 

6 minutes ago, josh_latics said:

 

He brought them all back in Jan though. Didn't have to. 

Lol no he didn't. Did nobody want them at Boundary Park? 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if Doyle hadn't come back then maybe someone else would have scored the goals needed and I guarentee everyone would be sat there now saying if only Doyle had signed we'd be safe weeks ago. Sometimes it doesn't work how to your expect.

1 minute ago, josh_latics said:

Pringle, Benyu, Byrne, Doyle and Bryan. 

 

No manager gets everything they want. 

 

We played pretty much every team in the bottom half in the last 8 weeks and won none of them! It was ours to lose and we threw it away. 

3 of those players were brought in before Wellens.

Placide, Moimbe, Nazon, Menig, De La Paz, Nepomuceno, Maouche, Omrani, Benteke. Do this list still show that Richie Wellens was backed and got everything he wanted? You can include Shez in that who clearly saw it happening and clearly didn't want to pick Placide!

The chairman needs to stop playing Championship manager and Wellens is right the ethos and recruitment has to change for us to be a success next season or in the future. So many fans look at Dale as a model to follow and think Hill is a good manager. Well he gets time at Dale yo build the team he wants despite relegation. If they sacked their manager every year they'd be us!

Like or loathe him RW he has a connection to this club that so many scream for every year when we loan players who 'don't give a shit about the club'. He needs to be backed imo and the club need to let him do his job. 

RW has made some mistakes there is no getting away from that but realistically who will replace him? Does anybody want a foreign coach with a team full of imports that's like this bunch that have proved they are not up to the standard required.

Worrying times ahead if we announce his departure this week. IMO