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10 hours ago, oafc1955 said:

And who are the runners?

It’s not simply about meters run is it? It’s about wanting to get involved, even when the fatigue is kicking in.

Eg If a ball breaks free, the person who reacts immediately, (because he really wants the ball) is going to be “running” and we will see that. He also is likely to get there. The player who hesitates ( “maybe someone else is nearer or will go, oh no it’s me, I better go”) is to late, or at best a yard behind.

The manager has to work out how to get players wanting to be involved as much as poss.

1 hour ago, oafcmetty said:

NFL has it bang on

https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/health-and-wellness/player-care/concussion-protocol-return-to-participation-protocol

Not very well worded, a lot of that.  
The FA has very similar head injury/concussion assessment protocols and return to play protocols. They are regularly reviewed and modified. I think we are on SCAT6 now!

The real issues are that the referees do the first assessment and aren’t necessarily good at doing it.  I have seen clearly stunned players assessed by the ref and after quite a long 30 seconds the physio is not allowed on. The player is saying “I’m alright” so he doesn’t have to go off. And other times when there was only a weak slap and the player it clearly putting it on.  Really more should be seen by the doctor. Maybe having a 3 minute assessment by the doctor off the pitch will be enough deterrent to players faking head injury.

4 minutes ago, Only Blue said:

Every outfield player is playing terrible , why just single out Shelton?

 

 

Because every time he plays we look poor? Maybe?

3 hours ago, Dave_Og said:

They were wrong.  There are circumstances in which data can be shared and  this is one of them.

I very much doubt the sharing of this data complies with GDPR. Do you think initially Oldham when they collected the data informed everyone that their data could be used this way? Do you think they make an effort to check the accuracy of the data they are sharing? That Rochdale has checked that the data was collected in a way complying with GDPR? That Rochdale have identified the legal basis they will rely on before collecting the data, and how long they will keep it, and all the other things they have to comply with to legally use the data, including a written contract with Oldham detailing responsibilities. 
 

I have no grasp of GDPR, and I guarantee neither do Rochdale and Oldham.

The real issue isn’t fitness. The players who play regularly are all super fit.  The real issue is how you perform when you feel tired and maybe have some discomfort, do you ease off, or do you shut it out and keep going hard. Ask the SAS how they get their mentality right.  What makes you dig in and put that extra in?  Love of your team? Love of your manager? Fear of your manager? Love of the game and winning? All questions for the job application form .

Sorry I’m confused.  Are you saying if we also only train twice a week we could run rings around the opposition?

I think you just showed how complicated it is.

1 hour ago, Lukers1 said:

For one I’d cancel the bloody rest days during the week.

 

To say they are full time professionals they pretty much blow out of their backsides after 70 mins.

 

We have a strength conditioning coach, a psychologist who had played and a nutrition specialist.

 

To be out run by other teams and some even part time baffles me.

 

Surely this is basic stuff, what’s John Harbin up to these days!!

Great idea! (Not)  We have been playing twice a week for some time now and the team as a whole are apparently running out of steam in second halves of games, so clearly they aren’t fit enough, let’s cancel the rest day and work them harder?

Strength and conditioning during an active season is not about, just work them harder. It is complicated.  A match is the most intensive training session a player will have.  Players need recovery. 
 

I remember hearing a Team Doctor, from a then recently demoted Prem League club, talk a few years ago. Every morning the 4 sport’s scientists and 4 Physios and Team Doctor would sit and discuss each player to decide what that players activity would be that day. This was then monitored by the GPS trackers and reviewed the next day.  

7 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

Gardner will be out for ages. 

Do we know that, or are you guessing?

24 minutes ago, ceskylatic said:

Out of interest, who would you have put in central midfield alongside Sheron, bearing in mind Lundstram has just come back from a 2 month injury?

I guess that’s what I want to see worked out by the manager.  Get an emergency loan in. Try playing our best ball playing defensive CD there and give Sheron licence to roam. Dickenson as suggested by others. Try something, but don’t play Shelton. It doesn’t work!

36 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

Does the youth team have no central midfielders? Absolutely bizarre to keep consistently picking those two together.

That is the one thing that worries me about Tommo. Why does he start Shelton again?  He has seen the same as us. Shelton and Sheron cannot be together. Again and again the Oldham performance has been terrible with those two.  Sheron had done well when with someone else. 
I get it that there is not much choice, but try something different! Shelton has to be a last resort!

9 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Honest offer? Well if it happens, just do it. Why announce something that's so unlikely to happen unless it's for attention?

Some may say “why do some people respond to anything anyone else says, in a negative critical way, unless it’s for attention.”

1 hour ago, True Tic said:

Surely Lundstram must be nearly ready, when he first got his injury I’m sure four weeks was mentioned. Don’t want to rush but he must be thereabouts now. 

When he does start, let’s hope they give work him back in, not just give him 90 mins straight off. Starting Gardener 3 games in a week was a bit naive or desperate. I agree with Yarddog that we need an extra body in midfield.

5 hours ago, Guy Branston Pickle said:

Think I've found the answer for his drop in form

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61272506

 

 

They say, “never put anything smaller then your elbow in your ear”

3 hours ago, penrhyn said:

Chesterfield will have a blip for sure . Think they have been very fortunate to win the number of games they have. They are a good side but not invicible . Still put them ahead of us at the moment,although there defence is their weakpoint. We still need a right back , and a ball playing midfielder . Lets just give Thomo the job and let him finish recruiting players.

I will agree with you on Thomo when he spots that Shelton is not ready to play. Twice now when he replaced Gardner, we have looked poor again in the middle.  When Thomo drops Shelton, I will feel better about him carrying on managing us.

14 minutes ago, doctor evil said:

That's ridiculous, the entire team did it. In fact when Reid came on we shifted to more of a 451...

Not sure what was ridiculous. When Shelton came on the performance (obviously the team) reverted to bad habits, and the trigger was him backing off. We needed him to come on and give us energy and keep us on the front foot. 

Really enjoyed the game today, exciting to watch and the team seemed much more positive all round. Great result!

I was disappointed that when Shelton came on, we look a bit like the performances in previous games. Shelton tend to drop back nearly into the back 4. We had been engaging them 5 or 10 yards further out until then. Suddenly their mid field had time and space, and for 15 mins we struggled.  Shelton rarely closes inside 5 yards from the man with the ball and tries to block their pass from there. He doesn’t get close enough to influence them. Maybe that can be coached, but he isn’t ready to play at the moment.

It’s not really dropping down if you haven’t got a job!

11 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

Wasn't suggesting that, was asking if the same rules will apply to the next manager as the current one.

Depends what you are talking about.  Do you mean rules from the club admin? Probably they would want to give him time as well.

If you mean the fans, that was my last answer and you have said you weren’t suggesting fans can’t put pressure on when the manager isn’t performing.  So yes the rules are the same, 10 poor results and some will doubt you. 20 games and most will doubt you, bar a couple. One year of poor results and most fans will want you gone.

1 hour ago, deyres42 said:

There has to be a guarantee though surely, given the strength of the playing staff.

 

If they are unable to propel us up the table straight away then do they have to face the sack as well?

The new manager with get time, just like DU has. Only winning 1 out of 10 would always gets some fans on his back.  All managers would expect pressure to build after that.  You are crazy to suggest we should all be blowing smoke up a managers arse all the time or we are not fans. 

Of course not. Giving DU 10 games to see how the season is panning out is fine and expected.  

15 games with poor point return would be indecisive IMO.

20 games with poor points return eg 1 point per games, would be bordering negligence IMO, when last year is taken into account.

6 hours ago, Hurtman said:

I genuinely believe he is purposefully trying to make the fans dislike of him greater than it already is, so that he can go crying to DR and Frank saying it is witch hunt and Oldham fans are unreasonable etc etc etc

A bit silly these comments.  I can assure you DU is still trying his best, both to get a performance from the players, and to connect with the fans. Unfortunately not every manager is good at coaching or public relations.

2 hours ago, Shrek said:

 

The intentions behind it are a little different. It wasn't an offer the club felt he would accept or indeed i believe wanted him to accept.

 

It's the same wage as his initial pro deal. That will be a pittance.

You are assuming a lot there about what intentions were.

7 hours ago, League one forever said:

They’re not bemused- that would imply they’re stupid and incredibly naive about football. Which they’re not. Bemused is just a facade for ego about getting a key decision wrong, and putting a friend before the club. 
 

I think the board are genuinely hurt we won’t support must not lose negative football. There is an air of ‘we’ve got everything else right- so just trust us that despite results,  he’ll become a good manager based on the fact he’s our friend and we know him’  It genuinely wouldn’t surprise me that if they are ‘forced’ to sack him, there could be something from the club that while they’re sad to let him go, they didn’t feel the fans gave a chance. 

 

 

I can live with that.

9 hours ago, BP1960 said:

 

He  always questions what I say. don't need to explain my every post to him and got fed up of it. I feel better for it.

Lol, interesting who was the first to mention the term “pompous pain”.

How does that old saying go? “It takes one to know one”? Old sayings are full of wisdom I find.