tGWB

1 hour ago, unsworth blue said:

Sorry tGWB, I am devastated 

 

Bad enough that club start the sacking race again - no idea if NA was any good or not but was she guilty of gross misconduct to warrant sacking? Another industrial tribunal on way methinks

 

Then to appoint the ex-Bury MD who was in situ when that club was being run abysmally and thought that Steve Dale was the right man to take them forward?  My heart hurts it really does  

There is an understanding in the world of CEO’s and Board MDs that you can be ‘moved on’ but its on the understanding that your contractural notice period is promptly paid up after agreeing the terms and conditions of a compromise agreement 

With Mr Evans recent time with Bury FC it does look another baffling appointment by our Owner 

11 minutes ago, unsworth blue said:

 

Desperate news this, my partner is a staunch Bury FC fan and word is not very good. 

 

He was seemingly unaware of all the shit that was going on at Bury FC under Stewart Day, yet he was CEO ! 

 

Sometimes my sarcasm doesnt always travel as well as intended

I remembered his name from Bury FC and thought f>#k 

Reads like a good appointment

Time will tell 

https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2020/september/09092020-ceo-appointment/

9 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said:

They get paid, don't they? The closing date for the SLO jobs that were advertised is this Friday, so that should be 4 more filled...

The job titles and functions on the lists provided by singe and underdog don't look unreasonable though to be fair do they

Of course the costs are dependant on £ per hour and hours worked but none those job titles look as they would / should attract mega £s

Easy for us sitting on the outside to say we would cut costs if we moved in to buy the club but those personnel numbers don't look excessive to me

Saying that I suspect there is likely to be a good few £ in what we would class as 'non essential' spend but those savings will be dwarfed by the wages we pay some players who would struggle to get a regular game with a local non league outfit

Personally, I would advise him to 'retire' a couple of his inner circle to ensure the club reduces its 'blunders' and attract a few hundred supporters back

Staring me in the face as a WIN WIN   

1 hour ago, underdog said:

 

end of 2018 June accounts states average employees was  = 267

 

end of 2019 June accounts stated average employees was = 181

 

end of 2020 June accounts ????

 

1 hour ago, underdog said:

wonder how many of those are unpaid roles?

 

Being objective about it, there appears to be significant savings demonstrated

A good few of the 267 / 181 will be volunteers such as turnstile operators and programme sellers etc you would think

13 hours ago, New Fan said:

Still waiting on promised statement on the accounts. 

Very sensible approach by the Trust prioritising releasing a statement on the dispute between the Club and the OEC/FLG/Brassbank 

15 hours ago, underdog said:

A well balanced overview TGWB.

 

Myself and Andy will take your comments and suggestions to the Trust meeting this week - thank you

Appreciate your feedback  

Population of Oldham is c235,000

Average Home Attendances for the 18/19 season was 4,364 (including Away Fans)

Less than 3,500 Home supporters attended the game v Crewe yesterday

Trust Oldham membership is c350

Only 50-60 supporters turned out for the FLG introduction meeting to declare their intentions to purchase the stadium, the land which is the footprint of the ground and the car park

Off those numbers it would be difficult to substantiate that we are an essential part of the community and I would suggest the Club has already lost the loyalty of most of the town folk, mostly due to a serious lack of achievement since the early 90's

Mr Abdallah Lemsagam (AL):

We have no idea how much he spent to purchase the 97% shares in the club off Simon Corney, the previous owner.

Despite AL riding into Boundary Park like some 'Knight on a great white horse' to save us from our decline under the previous regime, very much of his tenure remains shrouded in mystery.

Early days witnessed cries of 'foul' with claims that the previous regime had not fully declared monies owed by the club, which did nothing to inspire confidence in our new owner as most fans rightly thought that any reasonable 'due diligence' process would pick such matters up. Late payment of wages for both players and staff followed with some well publicised non payment of suppliers. However, its only fair to say that these issues appear to have improved (to the best of our knowledge)

Much has been said and written by disgruntled ex-players and ex-coaches/managers of the club regarding team matters which has significantly unsettled our supporters and with it further damaged the owners reputation with the fans.

Most concerning is that team performances have slipped dramatically resulting in our relegation and with it the complete absence of attractive attacking football we badly need to bring supporters back and the much needed revenue they bring as no club can survive on crowds of 3,500.

Supporters feel increasingly alienated from their club that most adopted as their own from their childhood 

Mr Lemsagam, you really do need to open up a lot more about the issues you and the club face as our supporters are highly likely going to turn their backs on the club in even greater numbers.

Of course there will be many who will not be won over but many more could be

Trust Oldham:

Formed in the wake of Oldham Athletic entering administration in 2003, the Trust was created by the fans to save the club

For me, potentially the  best vehicle to protect our club but disappointingly has only attracted a membership of c350 supporters despite the glaringly obvious difficulties the club has faced for the last decade or so.

Critics would point to what appears to be a lack of action by the Trust, particularly in holding the previous owner to account (eg. rumours of him using monies raised by supporters to purchase a scoreboard / late wage payments to players and staff ) despite the purchase of 3% of club shares.

Similar criticism falls on the Trust with regard to holding the current owner to account, however its only fair to note what appears to be a breakthrough, with AL giving access to view  the club accounts.

The Trust have announced they are having a meeting this week to discuss the matter and have said they will advise supporters accordingly.

The appointment of a JP Morgan Director to bolster the financial acumen of the Trust Board is welcomed and evidences a more business like approach strategy.

Recent communications from the Trust suggest a link with the Fans Led Group (FLG) but to be frank, that could well cause issues in continuing an improving dialogue with the owner of the club.

Trust Oldham, you have an unenviable task in trying to appease both the club owner and our supporters but I would suggest you try and make your short term intentions clearer as most fans can see the obvious conflict in trying to hold together a relationship with both the club owner and the group that are intent on buying the stadium

Boundary Park Purchase Group / Fans Led Group (FLG)

On the 27th July, the FLG held their introduction meeting to announce their immediate intentions to purchase from Brassbank Ltd, the stadium, the land which is the footprint of the stadium and the car park for c£7m

Presenters on the night were Simon Brooke, who has recently been appointed the Operations Manager of the Oldham Event Centre (OEC) which operates within the North Stand / Joe Royle Stand and his fellow presenter Paul Whitehead, who was the original main contractor appointed to build the North Stand

Additionally the FLG presenters advised that Simon Wood was part of the FLG and there was 2-3 other members who at the time wished to remain anonymous due to business/personal reasons.

In his presentation, Paul Whitehead advised that some land next to the ground had already been designated by Brassbank for the building of homes and that the land allocated was not in the proposed purchase by the FLG. The FLG also advised of their mid-long term aspirations to build a hotel between the Joe Royle Stand and Jimmy Frizzell Stand

Simon Brooke advised of a current dispute between the OEC and the club to provide match day hospitality in the North Stand, which has resulted in the club not agreeing to sign a Service Level Agreement for the 2019/20 season.

Disappointing from the evening was that only 50-60 supporters turned out to listen to the aspirations a group of fellow fans  regarding the future of our club.

More disappointment was to follow as (a) No written information was distributed at the meeting and (b) No written communication has subsequently been forthcoming from the FLG since the meeting.

Concerning for me, but not insurmountable, is the lack of any written information from the FLG, on lets be honest, not an insignificant amount money, £7m, to be sourced to fund the purchase of our stadium and the land it sits on.

Additionally, Paul Whitehead was the main contractor who failed to complete the building of the North Stand with one of his businesses failing, owing sub contractors money. However, its only fair to point out we do not know the actual circumstances and how much blame rests with Corney  the previous owner of the club, but for me until the circumstances are made public, an element of suspicion will remain. 

Boundary Park Purchase Group / FLG,  you need to put into writing your intentions with some proposed timelines, this should give supporters a more informed opinion rather than the understandable gossip doing the rounds on the forums. As soon as is practical, you should name the other FLG members.

Ideally Paul Whitehead should advise 'what went wrong' with the building of the North Stand and the circumstances of why it remains incomplete to this to date. People understand that businesses fail but when the very same people volunteer themselves into the public domain with the intentions of leading the club into a bright new world, its only right they stand up and be counted.

Why the post:

I sincerely hope that all the above parties take a considered look at the impact they are having on our club and supporters and that at the very least they will make a concerted effort in significantly improving their engagement with us, the fans and the heartbeat of this club

7 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

You really are a joker, you think the FLG are at fault for everything all of a sudden because they have a guy on the payroll your not too keen on, what about the shit they (AL + ML) are churning out on the pitch at the minute and where that is taking us that's what should worry you not the final layer of tarmac that's been missing off the carpark for about four years.

Kowenicki

to be fair, you gave Yarddog73 an open goal there fella 

9 minutes ago, underdog said:

seen photos it looks like its in the North stand so this is possibly home fans?

Staggering that we could have fans that resort to wrecking our own stadium

Latics 1v1 Crewe 

HT: 1-1

Scorer: Wilson

Att: 3890

45 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

De de de de fucking shambles......

At least we have someone trying to help our supporters 

Thanks for trying to help the fans OAFCBilly

Keep your head up fella ️

Just now, OAFCBilly said:

 

Hi, if you email supporter.services@oldhamathletic.co.uk, I will look into this for you and clarify the situation via email.

 

Alternatively you can call us on 0161 785 5150, we are usually pretty fast with answering the phones.

 

Hope to hear from you soon.

 

Thanks

 

Billy

Ticket Office Manager

Well played Billy 

12 hours ago, Midsblue said:

 

However, we need to play good old attacking, wing-based, attractive football.  The sort that has you on the edge of your seat.  Remember the days when Eyresy got the ball on the left and a mazey run into the box.  The Chaddy end was electric when we got a free kick on the edge of the box and Eyresy stepped up.

David Eyres, my favourite Latics player ever.

Was it just me who thought time seemed to freeze when he got the ball and his two markers seemed as mezmorised as our fans with his trickery on the wing before he delivered an absolutely glorious cross into the box  . . . . . . . .

You wouldn't keep going to a local theatre or the local cinema, just because your Dad or Grandad first took you, if the shows weren't entertaining.

Football should fundamentally be entertaining. Win Lose or Draw, most supporters wouldn't really mind who owned their club if they turned out attractive, attacking football most weeks.

Problem in a nutshell for me, is that for too many years, not just Latics but many of the teams we have played against are very ordinary at best, setting up firstly not to lose games.

Entertaining supporters for sure isn't the main priority of most clubs anymore

Am not expecting a Messi, but the majority of the stuff we've been fed for far too long, makes you 'lose the will to live' 

Just seen this on ITV Granada Reports about the EFL ‘fit & proper’ test

Gets scarey from 5.00mins when he interviews an EFL spokesperson 

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2019-08-02/what-s-gone-wrong-for-bolton-and-bury-a-special-report-into-football-finance/

4 minutes ago, Lags said:

 

Don't indulge him, he's just hanging out the reply for his troops to load off on.

What does that even mean ?

29 minutes ago, HarryBosch said:

 

Anybody....? 

Harry

For me, with the club owing only £12,000, it clearly shows there is more than outstanding monies owed to the OEC in the way of the proposed SLA being signed off

28 minutes ago, HarryBosch said:

 

I've read the SLA is just for the 100 club and boxes and the seats & concourses come at no extra cost but then I also keep reading that the lease for the whole ground includes the North Stand seats and, I assume, concourses (not the rest of the OEC, i.e. 100 club, boxes...)

 

Whether he fully doesn't use or partially doesn't use (i.e.100 club/boxes) the North Stand he'll be pissing off, and losing significant income from, arguably our wealthiest fans (box holders and 100 clubbers) who are able to, and like to, chuck a few extra quid in where they can. 

Cutting his nose off to spite his face. Madness. 

 

Then again, if he's doing it to avoid paying rent already owed - which must certainly be ten's if not hundreds of thousands of pounds - it might make sense to him financially. 

Would he then be gambling that the OEC/FLG won't pursue the money through legal channels and potentially jeopardise our season even further... ?

Recent article on D3D4Football by @stringer-oafc stated that the club owed £12,000 for the hospitality and catering services provided by the OEC

Needs paying of course, but not beyond our means you would think

8 hours ago, oafcmad09 said:

The club has it on a lease from Brassbank. So its the club's responsibility, as I understand it 

You dont rent a car and the hire company tells you it needs a MOT before you can use it 

Brassbank as the owner and landlord surely have to ensure the stand is fit for purpose from a statutory compliance perspective which would obviously include fire safety regs. 

5 hours ago, underdog said:

Maybe I am confused but seems that its matchday and the club are the football club, should it not be the club's responsibility?

 

The seats on the terraces belong to the club don't they?

 

Happy to be corrected

The club rents the stand from Brassbank so its the responsibility of Brassbank to ensure it carries all the necessary statutory certification for them to rent it as a football stand 

17 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said:

 

It is.... but the selling party was more interested in remaining on the board and being able to continue dipping his hand in the till than realising/maximising a sale value for an entity that was largely worthless....! I don’t think very much money changed hands at all....

Not sure about that, particularly considering the c£5m debt 'write off / payment' in the recently published accounts

27 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said:

 

I don’t think he paid very much for those shares.....

Its all he bought isn't it ?

10 hours ago, boundaryblue80 said:

 

It would be if I ever claimed he hid it from him. I said he hid debts (LED boards etc) and that Corney never fulfilled his obligation to settle the Necarcu debt. Hence he said he intends to sue him. I hope he does. If he doesn’t, more fool him. 

Surely if there was an 'agreement' that Corney would pay the Necacru charge, that AL would simply deduct that amount off the price he had agreed with Corney for the 97% shares in the club.

Who wouldn't do that !

FGR 4 v 0 OAFC (HT 2-0) no scorer 2475

boundaryblue80 / lookersstandandy

Enjoyed your exchanges

Clearly a world apart on opinions but saying that both very much entitled to them

It would be hard to find a better example of how massively split our fanbase is yet  both want what is best for the club  

Corney, Lemsagam. the Trust, the FLG would all be a sideshow if we could start to turn out some decent attacking, attractive football.

Oh for the days when no one hardly ever mentioned our owner