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7 hours ago, TheBigDog said:

Significant that it’s almost a year ago (Saturday 24 September 2022 ) that David Unsworth took charge of his first game away at Bromley. 

We lost 3-0 and looking at the players he had at his disposal I am not surprised. 
 

Norman, Sheron, Threkeld, Cooper, Roberts, Carragher, Stobbs, Burgess, Tollit, Wellens and Luamba…subs were Couto, Fondop and McGlynn

 

We went into the game in 14th place with 11 points from 9 games.  

We go into the game versus Bromley this Saturday in 17th place with 7 points from 8 games …

Unsworth has far better players at his disposal yet we are in a WORSE position points wise than when he took over.

 

Things have improved at the club apart from the obvious - how much longer does he get?

 

Lets have a win on Saturday huh?

There really is no defending him now....although some still try.

I have a ticket for tomorrow but really can't be arsed to make the effort to go....pretty poor I know. I really hope we can get 3 points just to lift the mood a bit.

25 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said:

ftfy 

Cheers fucking auto correct....we actually do need Norman!

I always listen. Matt and co do always try and put a balanced view forward even though I don't always agree with what they say. Guests are also generally good fun and make some good points.

Matt made the point again that we should remember to look back to where we came from last season, which I believe most fans do and I'd say 100% of the fan base would say we are a million miles ahead of where we were off the field.

It's just debatable if we have moved forward at all on it.

We did move forward 2H of last season, which I think is the big issue.

Since then Unsworth has moved who he didn't want out and brought plenty of players in which I'm sure he endorsed, and we have categorically gone backwards in results, performance levels, and having any clear identity on the pitch.

Will we get dragged into another relegation fight if Unsworth and things stay the same? I don't think so. We will end up between 10th and 14th ish I'd say.

My view is we didn't need Norwood....although he's a quality addition.

What we are spending on his contract could have been used to bring in 2 more quality midfield players at this level instead.

Nuttall Fondop Reid and Kurt are a good strike force if they get the service. Lundstrom will help i'm sure however even with him and everyone fit i'm still not convinced our midfield is good enough. Gardiner is never fit, and both Ward and Lundstrom now have fitness questions over them.

Sorry but it's not more time anymore we need. It's a better more experinced manager, a couple of quality midfielders with a bit of nouse, and a new injection of belief and enthusiasm in both the team and fanbase before our season is all but over by Christmas.

Domenic Poleon the leading scorer to date in the National League so far for Ebsfleet with 7 goals.... 

10 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

I'm beginning to think Unsworth is here because we can't afford to get rid of him which for me solidifies my opinion that he comes to work every day without any real pressure to become better, it's almost become the David Unsworth show.

 

We've got plenty of money men on the board (although you see very little of some of then these days) and they must be discussing the financial side of keeping Unsworth employed in a job he is clearly out of his depth to do, pay on the day fans is what will keep this club going and on that basis it's important, particularly at home to provide some entertainment and along with that a winning team, looking at home crowds minus away followings this season they are following a worrying trend;

 

Aldershot 7342

Halifax 7186

Solihull 6690

Dorking 6219

 

Saturday was a glorious day with no local matches higher up the pyramid due to the International break so we probably attracted a few floating fans through the gate on that number, if we say that the club already have the money from 4000 of us pay on the day revenue as dropped by about a third and over 1000 in a matter of weeks, that's got to be a huge worry moving in to the Autumn when the weather at BP will be less kind, I predict crowds will be around 5500 for the visit of Oxford in a week or two which is criminal really.

 

When does this become more a decision about the clubs sustainability rather than a Darren Royle vanity project? Is he stumping up the shortfall to support his mate because this incompetence will have serious implications on the clubs finances as we move forward. 

 

Finally what's happened about listening to the fans and giving them their club back? This whole episode is now leaving a bad taste to me because frankly that's just bullshit and we now have a problem where the board are creating a situation that appears to leave them so out of touch with 95% of the fan base with no obvious reasoning for  keep Unsworth in charge, I haven't spoke to one fan who wants him so for me it is just stupidity keeping him in a job. 

 

Personally as a minimum they should be asking him to stay at home on gardening leave and replacing him, even if it is with Murray and Adams initially because we just cant continue hemorrhaging money at the rate we are, they were happy to do that with a number of players and write off dead money that had been badly spent under his watch.

 

It's a fucking mess and needs sorting sharpish before the crowds drop to around 5000 that in my opinion would be negligent on the boards/owners part.

Simple answer is Yes we can or we end up losing far more in lost gate revenue.

5 hours ago, shaw_blue said:

Great listen as always, the whole issue I have with Unsworth was addressed in 30 seconds on it.. "We don't have an identity" "Stick with a setup do it well and do it consistently"

Will even take poor results if I thought for one second they were trying to stick to a plan and it's work in progress. I just can't see it sadly.

Will also mention your comment on crowds. We are letting a fantastic opportunity slip through our fingers the crowds are the best since the early 90s but the casual fans will stop going with the dire football. At what point does that loss of revenue every game overtake the financial payoff for the manager? 

Yep - reference home attendances, Singe sent out somewhere recently that we have already lost over 1000 POTD home fans since the first game. 

To put this into context if you add additional in match revenues, food drink programs etc  I'd estimate that's somewhere between £25/30k per game.

If that stays flat and the shitshow continues it's over £500k this year....and it could be nearer £1m if we lose another 1000 pay on the dayers.

What's Rhino on? £200k/year?

Think I'd be paying him and Ebrell off asap and cutting my losses.

1 minute ago, Londonboy said:

Some fair points Dave but I can understand why many use the term "fraud".

He clearly must have given Darren and co the impression before his appointment, that he had the coaching skillset and management ability to get the team to where they wanted.

We've all probably given a bit of bullshit at interviews to try and get a job in the past....I have anyway!

However from what I have seen over the past 12 months on the football field, which is ultimately where he will be judged, this seems like it was probably more than just a bit of bullshit.... as he really looks and sounds completely out of his depth.

So did he "fraudulently" make claims that he could achieve something that he clearly can't?

You get my point.....

 

Anyway personally I just think he's a really crap manager, and the board need to admit they made a huge mistake with his appointment and try someone else with more experience. 

Sorry not sure how it posted 3 times.....

1 hour ago, Dave_Og said:

I don't think I've ever seen anyone be a genuine Unsworth inner by which I mean saying that he's definitely the man for the job. Many, including me, have wanted a manager to be given a proper run for a decent amount of time for the first time in over a decade and were therefore prepared to be patient. I'm not changing that on the basis of one game that I didn't watch but it's very hard to put up any sort of positive side to a debate now.

 

I wish words like 'fraud' and 'imposter' could disappear though. They're just not right. I'm as sure as anyone can be that he's not turned up knowing he wasn't up to it but spotting an opportunity to grab some cash, which is what they imply.

Some fair points Dave but I can understand why many use the term "fraud".

He clearly must have given Darren and co the impression before his appointment, that he had the coaching skillset and management ability to get the team to where they wanted.

We've all probably given a bit of bullshit at interviews to try and get a job in the past....I have anyway!

However from what I have seen over the past 12 months on the football field, which is ultimately where he will be judged, this seems like it was probably more than just a bit of bullshit.... as he really looks and sounds completely out of his depth.

So did he "fraudulently" make claims that he could achieve something that he clearly can't?

You get my point.....

Anyway personally I just think he's a really crap manager, and the board need to admit they made a huge mistake with his appointment and try someone else with more experience. 

1 hour ago, Dave_Og said:

I don't think I've ever seen anyone be a genuine Unsworth inner by which I mean saying that he's definitely the man for the job. Many, including me, have wanted a manager to be given a proper run for a decent amount of time for the first time in over a decade and were therefore prepared to be patient. I'm not changing that on the basis of one game that I didn't watch but it's very hard to put up any sort of positive side to a debate now.

 

I wish words like 'fraud' and 'imposter' could disappear though. They're just not right. I'm as sure as anyone can be that he's not turned up knowing he wasn't up to it but spotting an opportunity to grab some cash, which is what they imply.

Some fair points Dave but I can understand why many use the term "fraud".

He clearly must have given Darren and co the impression before his appointment, that he had the coaching skillset and management ability to get the team to where they wanted.

We've all probably given a bit of bullshit at interviews to try and get a job in the past....I have anyway!

However from what I have seen over the past 12 months on the football field, which is ultimately where he will be judged, this seems like it was probably more than just a bit of bullshit.... as he really looks and sounds completely out of his depth.

So did he "fraudulently" make claims that he could achieve something that he clearly can't?

You get my point.....

Anyway personally I just think he's a really crap manager, and the board need to admit they made a huge mistake with his appointment and try someone else with more experience. 

1 hour ago, Dave_Og said:

I don't think I've ever seen anyone be a genuine Unsworth inner by which I mean saying that he's definitely the man for the job. Many, including me, have wanted a manager to be given a proper run for a decent amount of time for the first time in over a decade and were therefore prepared to be patient. I'm not changing that on the basis of one game that I didn't watch but it's very hard to put up any sort of positive side to a debate now.

 

I wish words like 'fraud' and 'imposter' could disappear though. They're just not right. I'm as sure as anyone can be that he's not turned up knowing he wasn't up to it but spotting an opportunity to grab some cash, which is what they imply.

Some fair points Dave but I can understand why many use the term "fraud".

He clearly must have given Darren and co the impression before his appointment, that he had the coaching skillset and management ability to get the team to where they wanted.

We've all probably given a bit of bullshit at interviews to try and get a job in the past....I have anyway!

However from what I have seen over the past 12 months on the football field, which is ultimately where he will be judged, this seems like it was probably more than just a bit of bullshit.... as he really looks and sounds completely out of his depth.

So did he "fraudulently" make claims that he could achieve something that he clearly can't?

You get my point.....

Anyway personally I just think he's a really crap manager, and the board need to admit they made a huge mistake with his appointment and try someone else with more experience. 

10 hours ago, OAFC_ULTRA said:

If what he says is what he actually believes then we are fucked with him in charge. Its the same drivel every week. The fucking clueless idiot set up with one loan striker chasing shadows with no service and then claims that THEY frustrated us. The only frustration going on at latics games are his shit tactics. I wouldn’t ask him to set up a deck chair, let alone a professional football team. I worry for what has to happen for the board to act. I genuinely wanted it to work with Unsworth, but it just isn’t. He is out of his depth and he doesn’t know how to turn this round. He has to go and he has to go now

Yes but in his words we had to be brave because we're at home.....FFS.

He is the gift that keeps on giving in his post match interviews....

Did anyone else see us keep carving them open?

He just needs to fuck off.

1 minute ago, AlanGrovesFanClub said:

Allow me to explain. 5 subs, 3 can be used. We chose 4 strikers and no goalkeeping cover, although our other goalkeeper is (I think) fit. I find this to be a strange set of options to give himself going into the game. Losing your goalkeeper and having no replacement would be a big thing. You can only add 3 more strikers during the game, and you probably wouldn't want to add 4 anyway. So overall, it doesn't seem to be a well balanced way of (a) covering off potential risks and (b) giving yourself room for tactical changes, which is what subs are for. Compound that with not even using them all on a day when it was so hot that they had to stop for drinks breaks like it was a cricket match.

Great point this and a great example of his failings as a manager unfortunately 

So we go again....

No wins in out last 6

A paltry 7 pts from 8 league games

Already 12 points behind Barnet and Chesterfield at the top

Take out the Aldershot game and we've scored 4 goals in 7 games with 5 so called top NL strikers on £££££s

Pay on the day pundits already 1000+ down ( so about £30k per game if you include food drinks etc I'd guess)

Fans toxicity and frustration at home games growing by the week

Most importantly no signs of improvement from the team

He HAS to go before things get out of hand.

It was a horrid watch.

Basic footballing skill absent again for most of the game...in fact more passes to the invisible man than normal.

What are the manager coaches doing to make such shite footballers out of what should be decent ones?? 

Something has to change as I'm embarrassed watching it at the moment.

3 minutes ago, Yorkyp65 said:

This is a very important and hard fought point in our battle against relegation .This point keeps us out of the relegation zone 

We are currently 12 points behind the mighty Barnet after 8 games FFS 

54 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

Booed off at half time after playing really positively against a team that’s stuck 11 behind the ball. 
 

I’d have 2 up top second half just to mix things up a bit and give them something else to think about. We’ve had a go but not been able to break them down often enough so maybe a change would be good. 

Come on NZ. This has been shit. 

Dorking are as poor a side as we will play in this league.

We scored 8 against them last season.

Can't blame the fans for getting a bit hot and bothered and having a go.

It's dire enough watching online...must be worse there.

Btw Dorking haven't picked up a point away from home this year.

We need to find something last 10 mins FFS 

17 hours ago, JoeP said:

 

Exactly.

 

New manager bounce?  Not a thing.  And if he's rubbish after a long time? Give him more time..

 

Our new manger bounce after Unsworths appointment was 1 league win at home to Yoevil in his first 12 league games, and 2 penalty shoot out wins against Chester and Peterborough Sports!!

1 minute ago, Monty Burns said:

Fondop?

Not a bad shout but I hope he stays. Really like him as an impact player but not sure his ability to control his actions on the field sometimes and get himself sent off are going down too well with Big Dave....

15 hours ago, GlossopLatic said:

Matts made a point about the club being in the rebuilding process and is still correcting legacy issues. While that is probably true to a large extent the club is now very much geared to and in a position to challenge for promotion this season so I don't think we can blame previous regimes for that. If we don't mount a promotion push this season then something will have gone seriously wrong.

 

Macca made a good point really about the fact that we haven't seen anything on the pitch in terms of performances to suggest we are promotion challenging team yet. We need something to hang our hats on to suggest that this team will start to improve. We probably all know on paper we have a good squad but we want to see evidence we can hang our hats on to suggest that this is a promotion challenging team.

 

The narrative is always driven mostly by results. 

 

Finally I don't think we are as divided as some people like to think. The majority of those who are in the "out" camp will happily soften their stance if we go on a run of wins. I'd imagine alot of people who are on the "in" side like myself currently have very healthy doubts about the direction the team management are taking us at the moment I think another defeat could and probably should seal his fate. I also believe the majority of us are sick to death of changing manager and want some consistency. You will always get the vociferous extremities on any arguements particularly on social media, but sometimes you've got to look at what people agree on too and not lose sight of what we have in common.

Some very valid and measured points here.

It's pretty much were I am appart from being on the Unsworth out side of the camp, however as Glossop says string 3/4 wins together and see a group of players playing as a Team with belief and a more positive approach, and I'll happily let him carry on, until we get to a position where promotion looks impossible.

I truly hope he succeeds, I think there is little chance though, and even if we do I expect it will be because we do actually have a group of players which should be on paper top 4 in this league and not because Unsworth is a tactical genius.

Another BIG reason he needs to go is because I'm having a disaster in this season's predictions league, and until he starts to win more games, and gets the midfield to create more chances for Norwood....as he's my first scorer every week, I'm looking at another relegation.

Unsworth Out! 

3 minutes ago, TheBigDog said:

I am not happy either but I may be if he shows that his apprenticeship as a manager is over and he inspires the players to start winning games and we rapidly climb the table. Or something similar

 

 

Yep real inspirational management and tactical genius will be needed as we take on the might and football powerhouses of Dorking, Oxford City, Kidderminster, York, Bromley and Wealdstone this month. 

Can't wait

3 hours ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

As Monty points out above that's some pretty spectacular point missing.

 

The bit in bold, unless I've missed something Literally nobody has said that we have moved forward at all. We can all see its not been good enough.

 

It's not about personal sentiment to Frank its about it's his competency as a chairman of Oldham Athletic. Because if he allows David Unsworth to stay in post and results don't improve over the course of the season and we are nowhere near promotion. Then considering the outlay that's been made that's bad leadership becase he's keeping someone in what is a business critical post in situ when they shouldn't be.

 

I can't see that happening if results don't improve he will be sacked.

Erm thats the point! Nobody has said we have moved forward.....because we haven't!! We have in fact moved backwards if compared to the 2h of last season. Your happy to for him to continue underperforming week after week I guess?

I'm perfectly happy with Frank's competency as a chairman and thank him for all he continues to do for a club I've followed round the land for 40 plus years.

I'm not happy with Unsworths competency as a manager though, and never will be.

10 minutes ago, Monty Burns said:

how tall are you? does everything go over your head or what??

What are you on about Monty!!

5 minutes ago, True Tic said:

I’ve always said there’s a clear distinction between criticism and abuse. Some of the nonsense I’ve heard levelled at him in the stand has been bloody awful. But because I criticise doesn’t mean I’m a “hater”. I actually like DU from what I’ve seen and heard but I’m not sure he’s a good manager, and each game I see just reinforces that view. 

Yep exactly 

1 minute ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

He probably made the speech because he can hear the criticism directed at the manager loud and clear. I'm not sure you can completely ignore the criticism when you are literally sat amongst the fans on an away day.

 

If he wanted to keep his council on this then I'd expect him to sit in the Directors box. If I'm honest I think its probably what I think he should be doing. Whilst its great he wants to interact with the fans in the way he does sometimes its best to maintain a distance and perhaps now might be a good time to do that A week is a long time in football so a month is like a decade we've seen far bigger U-turns at this club and certainly in football.

 

I just don't believe that he is the only manager in football who isn't in danger of the sack. If this bad form doesn't improve soon he will be in real trouble.

This has turned into a how much we love Frank debate! We all do I think.... so let's get back to the issue in question shall we.

The facts are we have spent plenty of money since our "top 3 form"of the 2nd half of last season, bringing in the players Unsworth wanted and getting shot of those he thought were not good enough.

Granted one or two are injured but that's the same anywhere, and how anyone can think we have moved forward since the end of April is deluded.

Look at any football based metric you like and the only one that has increased is that we have lost more football matches.

Sentiment for Frank needs to be taken out of the discussion.

Unsworth's doing a shit job end of and as soon as some on here smell the coffee the better.

And by the way I'm totally against the boo boy dickheads slagging him and the team during the game but they are totally entitled to their opinion, right or wrong afterwards.

He needs to go.