League one forever

1 hour ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

Alright Statsbomb. Calm down.

. . for every time we disagree on a player. 

27 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

What contribution do you have to give to become a board member?

Depends which era. 
 

From Circa 2006 to 2022 you just had to eat free pies, and announce yourself at away games with -  Oldham Athletic director coming through. 

18 minutes ago, disjointed said:

I would say that as nice as Pike Fold and Blackley are they wouldn't come into the upper level golf course category. They will be glad of the money. 

Defintley- I only have my society handicap which isn’t official and I’ve played the vast majority of local courses as a guest.  Nowhere has asked for my handicap. 
 

The only two that did, were the belfry and Penha longa in Portugal. As long as it’s not high end we’ll be reet. 

I’d play Dave.
 

Don’t play at a club just in a society. 
 

Play off 28. 

5 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

The list isn’t exclusively made up of statsbomb generated players is it? My understanding is that any target list would be compiled by a combination of more traditional sources and additional players statsbomb throws up. The theory being that using it increases the number of players that might get looked at, rather than totally replacing traditional methods. 
 

It would probably be useful for the recruitment process to be clarified at the fans forum. 

Yes, I think you’re right. I think they’ve had a bit of hybrid- used for some players, while others were bought off the shelf so to speak.  I know Hobson wasn’t bought using stats bomb- because I remember Unsy saying ST knew him and had been watching him. They didn’t think they could get him and went for him as soon as they found out he wanted a move back to Manchester. Norwood won’t have been bought by statsbomb for obvious reasons.

Even so, I don’t think Mellon wants it at all in any form. Like you say though-  be good to get that clarified as the plan or not moving forward. 

21 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

It would be a bit counterproductive if “knowing what good looks like” means getting rid of stats so reducing the number of players on a list of possible targets that then gets scouted in more traditional way wouldn’t it?

As well as - I know what what good looks likes. 
 

We’ve also had- I look with my eyes. 
 

I don’t think Mellon wants to choose from a pre selected computer/data list.

For example - when looking for a right back, I don’t think he trusts being given a list 5 right backs when he might not know or rate four of them and he’s only left with one choice. I think he wants (and he will get) full autonomy and it will go back to old school.  Basically him ringing the 2 or 3 right backs he really likes and finding the best deal for the club. 

1 minute ago, Boyyou said:

Not saying I like it, just that many clubs, including some at our level, use this method.

I’m ambivalent towards it as a method of recruitment, just because it hasn’t worked for us doesn’t mean it can’t work full stop. Ultimately it’s just about signing good players- however you do it. My reply was just an observation that it won’t be the way Micky wants to go. 

4 minutes ago, Boyyou said:

In-person scouting used after the data identified possible targets

We’ve had exactly that with stats bomb, and Mellon doesn’t like it, because he knows what good looks like. . and he doesn’t want to choose from a computer generated list of targets. I’ll be staggered if another incarnation of data contributing recruitment is wanted or sanctioned 

5 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

Surely we will be bringing in better? Mike Jackson for a start would be an improvement, I don't like the way Murray sets up his teams not to get beat so for me taking sentiment away I'm happy with the news.

Do you reckon Murray was responsible for our style of play/set up? 

57 minutes ago, Boyyou said:

Perhaps adding to the rumour that MM will be reunited with coach Mike Jackson

Yep, I’d assume so. Also no academy role for him. 

2 hours ago, Hemel latic said:

Bit surprised by the timing. Might be difficult to be more forward looking than dwelling on the season just gone.

Yeah, I’d like to know more from Darren on the mistakes made with recruitment and how we’ve managed to cobble together such a lob sided squad. On the other hand, what’s the point of raking over old ground in greater detail?
 

It’s been poor, they know it’s been poor, they’ve acknowledged it’s been poor. Probably time to draw a line. 
 

8 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

He told us it said don't bother signing a right back??

No- as you know. 

6 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

So you say! You have no proof of this. You don't know how it was used, you don't know how influential it was, you don't know what the plan is with it in the future.

Nope.
 

I do have proof. 

I do know how it works. 
 

I do know how it’s implemented. 
 

I know those things- because Darren said it publicly. 

He explained two seasons ago. . how it works, how it will be implemented and the potential benefits. 

Im then going off what Micky said multiple times in the media, about  knowing what good looks like, and saying publicly the board are lovely people but they’ve made mistakes. 
 

I’m then going off what Darren said in his most recent interview where he explicitly said Mellon and the head of recruitment will look after recruitment. 

All of this makes perfect sense when you read and listen to what the club tells you over a period of time. 
 

11 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

I can't see how any stats system can play any part whatsoever in failing to recruit for specific positions. No stats system tells anyone to sign half a dozen strikers but not to bother about a right back.

Darren told us otherwise, but hey ho. Looks like Micky has got his way and they’ve binned it. 

2 hours ago, nzlatic said:

One element of the interview I liked to hear was the rejection of a blame culture way of running things. 
 

It’s a too simplistic way of looking at things, ie blaming individual people (sack the manager) or individual things (put statsbomb in the bin) as some sort of easy fix to bigger problems. I’m happy to hear they run the business in a way that they assess it more completely and look to see how things can be done better. Long term it should stand us in good stead. 

That was spin, and he’s very good at it.
 

There’s a big difference between blame - (which is negative and I would never have thought they did that anyway) and honesty and accountability. 
 

He made it clear that Mellon along with the Head of recruitment will be doing the recruitment, why say that? Why qualify it? Because it’s the result of a honest and frank discussion between Mellon and the board where mistakes have been made. (I suspect stats bomb) You can know exactly where you stand without blame. 

To say ‘it’s to simplistic to look at individual things’ - is really odd. It’s exactly what they should be doing and by sounds of it have done. Stats bomb wasn’t working. It must’ve had some role to play in our awful scatter gun recruitment and the club are looking to improve in all areas- by looking at individual things to make the collective more cohesive and successful. 

3 hours ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

Re-energised already for the new season.

Steady on. .

42 minutes ago, Gaz_Oafc said:

Rochdale's new owners have promised to get them promoted within 3 years. They'll no doubt be chucking a bit of money about over the next couple of seasons...

 

Wonder if we can shift any of our dead wood on to them

The thought of them getting promoted before us. . .

42 minutes ago, JoeP said:

 

Nah, no need.  Mellon's said his bit.  Whether Darren agrees with what he said or not, it's not worth stoking it up again publicly...

Yeah, agreed. It was about acknowledging the poor season from his and the board’s point of view. Not going over Mellons comments- he alone will bear the brunt or not of that. 

27 minutes ago, disjointed said:

For those of us who decline to use twitter what's he saying. 

Usual shite mate. 
 

He’s just a parody now. 

47 minutes ago, Canada_latic said:

Along with a nice dig at the ludicrous decision making from former Senior Director Shitpeas. 

He’s raging on Twitter.

18 minutes ago, Dickie Down said:

Puts onus squarely on the manager and Head of Recruitment (?) for transfers and playing standards. Quite steely there, I thought.

Firstly- fair play to him. It’s what I’ve been asking for. 
 

Acknowledge mistakes- try and galvanise. He came across very well in that respect. 
 

On the bit I’ve quoted, I didn’t take it as that. 
 

He made it clear that Mickey is in charge of transfers- the inference being, that is what Micky wants.
 

It came across as, ‘that’s not the model we had but Micky has told us he knows what good looks like so he will have full autonomy.’

I think he was saying without saying- that stats bomb is in the bin- and we’ll go with Micky’s eye alone. 

1 hour ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

But the lengths you go to visibly show your displeasure at the methods MM seems to be employing seems to be beyond the pale for me. It feels like you're desperate to be proved right.

Not at all, if he turns it round - then happy days. 
 

On my displeasure being beyond the pale, that cuts both ways- I find it really odd when people look for the positives or excuses for poor performance and/or results.  
 

Nobody knows what’s happened, all we have to go on is performances, results, and what said in the media.
 

To my mind I just form a view on what I see, hear and read. 
 

When he did well with no signings- I was his biggest cheerleader. 
 

When the new signings had no material affect- I questioned his choices. 
 

When we won 1 in 13 - and he did the interview- I question the validity of what he’s saying and the lack of personal responsibility. 
 

My views will change with what I see- if performances and results improve and the proof is in the pudding- I 

wont question what he’s doing. 
 

If performances and results don’t improve the pressure will continue to build- that’s just football. 
 

1 hour ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

Whether the methods of calling out those who just won't cut it with him - when the bulk of the team are still contracted beyond next season - works is something we'll see play out in time. I'd like to expect that the dressing room won't be like some kind of gossipy knitting circle with pissed off incumbant players **cough cough Hogan cough** having poisionous little quiet chats with new signings in the corners of dressing rooms, Trojan horse style. So what if a bit of that seeped out publically. Bad culture has to be rooted out by the man in charge. I'm backing him to go some way to doing that. You're expressing severe doubts about it.

Agreed. 
 

I actually want you to be right- in that, the players don’t bitch and whine, they get their heads down and they all buy into the culture. However that would mean they leave their ego at the door and realise there’s something bigger than themselves. . . 

Time will tell if he’s made the right call. 

20 minutes ago, aaronoafc said:

Yeah, more often than not it comes down to money. Obviously some have different motivations than others but in football it’s usually the case that money talks. 

 

I’m not sure where I read this, I think it was an Alty fan group last year as I joined to get a bit more info on Lundstram. A couple of apparent ITK lads at Alty said that Lundstram didn’t really want to leave them but we offered £600 a week more so he couldn’t really turn it down. An extra 2.5k a month on anyones wage (except like championship and above level) is fairly life changing money even at our level. 

Spot on. 
 

I think that will go for 99% of them at our level, another 25k a year/couple of grand a month is not to be sniffed at- especially in a short career. 

34 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

 

Not a question you can honestly answer since I don't know them personally. As don't you.

 

Look, I get it. You don't like MM. The way he goes about it all eats under your skin. Anyone would think you were in that dressing room and you'd react negatively to him. It might be an insight into your personality, y'know?

Wow. . had to make it personal.

Interesting. 

I just asked a fair guesswork question based on your guesswork point. If we talked about things we had first hand experience of- we wouldn’t post anything- so it’s kinda the point of the forum- chat shit about Latics. 
 

I liked MM when he won football matches, I’ve cooled on him when he doesn’t win football matches. If he wins again, I’ll start liking him again. It’s not difficult , or shocking, that’s his job. 
 

Seeing as though we’re doing cod psychology on people we’ve never met. Perception is projection my friend. Speaking for myself I would love to play for Mellon, because I think if you do the basics he’ll have your back. But seeing as though I’ll never play for Latics, it’s not about me- is it. 
 

I admire what he’s trying to do, I question his methods in doing it. 

12 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

 

Could be, couldn't be. Players talk to each other and have a wide network. If it dissuades one who doesn't like to bust a gut, but pursuades one who has a strong work ethic it might not be a bad thing. Players might look at him as a serial promotion winner too. Definitely two sides to view this, depending on your 

Double post.