paulr1949 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 How fickle the fans of OAFC are becoming. According to some on here we are looking perilously close to the relegation battle. This is because the half empty glass fans think that we are only 7 points from the fourth from bottom place yet beaten once in the last 16(not relegation form). Take another look at the half full glass. We are 7 points off the 4th play off spot with 2 games in hand. A bit of positive thinking would not go amiss. We have a small YOUNG squad with senior players out injured etc and yet teams are finding it hard to beat us. Lets compliment those that are playing and stop getting on their backs. Remember you were young once and in the process off growing up and learning your trade did you not make mistakes as they do, when people got on your back did it not affect your confidence. Get behind them not against them. To those fans that say they have paid their money and have a right to criticise, I don't believe it is a god given right. If you go to a show and it is not up to your standards do you stand up and shout at the actors because you have paid your money and therefore have the right. No you wouldn't, you do it at football matches because at the time you are anonymous except to those around you. It is neither big or hard, it is the action of a coward. Your type are one of the reasons people do not go to games because you just sit and moan the whole game. If that's all you want to do then pay me your £20 and I'll listen to you for 90 minutes whingeing like a good un. Get behind them, we have an inexperienced manager and a young side, young players feed off praise, the more you criticise the more it affects them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neiladamsheadband Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 yesterday we did not play well but on a positive note we took a point from a game we should not have and again undefeated away from home, teams are still beating each other - (for instance donny beating dirty leeds amd southend beating forest ) so its just comes back to the home form, we are gonna hammer someone at home shortly and it will kick in from then on - turn our home form round an by putting a nice little run together it makes a hell of difference as you jump up the league quite quickly - ok so we werent at our best today - but how many times have we played amazing and not took points?? i cant see us playing that bad on tues night so three points and as a starting point we move up to the top half of the table, relegation i dont thinks so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) Do you subscribe to Latics World? If so you'd soon realise Sheridan must be a half glass man, why?......... cos every interview he conducts he states we're at the wrong end of the table and need points to move away from it. Yet the vast majority (including me) listen to him and back him and the side. Whilst I'll accept that moaning at the players during games is counter productive and something to which I don't do, but what gives you the god given right to tell others what isn't their god given right? I think it's time everyone who comes on here saying that fans don't have the right to moan at players with excuses like they've paid their money not to keep saying it doesn't give you the right, which indeed as a free country they have, but just encourage them not to do it. Also I can't be doing with all these posts saying go and watch ManUre, why FFS we need every soul that goes into BP and they are Latics fans in the main. Edited January 20, 2008 by Lags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewallis Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 How fickle the fans of OAFC are becoming. According to some on here we are looking perilously close to the relegation battle. This is because the half empty glass fans think that we are only 7 points from the fourth from bottom place yet beaten once in the last 16(not relegation form). Take another look at the half full glass. We are 7 points off the 4th play off spot with 2 games in hand. A bit of positive thinking would not go amiss. We have a small YOUNG squad with senior players out injured etc and yet teams are finding it hard to beat us. Lets compliment those that are playing and stop getting on their backs. Remember you were young once and in the process off growing up and learning your trade did you not make mistakes as they do, when people got on your back did it not affect your confidence. Get behind them not against them. To those fans that say they have paid their money and have a right to criticise, I don't believe it is a god given right. If you go to a show and it is not up to your standards do you stand up and shout at the actors because you have paid your money and therefore have the right. No you wouldn't, you do it at football matches because at the time you are anonymous except to those around you. It is neither big or hard, it is the action of a coward. Your type are one of the reasons people do not go to games because you just sit and moan the whole game. If that's all you want to do then pay me your £20 and I'll listen to you for 90 minutes whingeing like a good un. Get behind them, we have an inexperienced manager and a young side, young players feed off praise, the more you criticise the more it affects them. Here Here! could not put it better myself. We need to SUPPORT them, we CAN have a positive influence on their performances. COME ON OLDHAM!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spadam Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 we need to think posative to be truthful we might be in the relegation zone if we lose about 5 on the bounce but we might get into the play-offs we are in a position were anything might happen. so just keep the faith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr1949 Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 Do you subscribe to Latics World? If so you'd soon realise Sheridan must be a half glass man, why?......... cos every interview he conducts he states we're at the wrong end of the table and need points to move away from it. Yet the vast majority (including me) listen to him and back him and the side. Whilst I'll accept that moaning at the players during games is counter productive and something to which I don't do, but what gives you the god given right to tell others what isn't their god given right? I think it's time everyone who comes on here saying that fans don't have the right to moan at players with excuses like they've paid their money not to keep saying it doesn't give you the right, which indeed as a free country they have, but just encourage them not to do it. Also I can't be doing with all these posts saying go and watch ManUre, why FFS we need every soul that goes into BP and they are Latics fans in the main. Lags, I do not have a god given right to tell people what to say or not to say. Your reply is a defensive response and in line with what I said. Also where the hell isyour last line from. Not once did I mention Manure. If the moaners stopped then I would imagine more people waold go. Some of these people moan continually throughout the 90+ minutes of a game. Your right we should encourage them not to do it which was the whole point of my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 My glass is always half full. I'm not an optimist. I'm an alcoholic. Kaboom tsh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drphibes Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Do you subscribe to Latics World? If so you'd soon realise Sheridan must be a half glass man, why?......... cos every interview he conducts he states we're at the wrong end of the table and need points to move away from it. Yet the vast majority (including me) listen to him and back him and the side. Whilst I'll accept that moaning at the players during games is counter productive and something to which I don't do, but what gives you the god given right to tell others what isn't their god given right? I think it's time everyone who comes on here saying that fans don't have the right to moan at players with excuses like they've paid their money not to keep saying it doesn't give you the right, which indeed as a free country they have, but just encourage them not to do it. Also I can't be doing with all these posts saying go and watch ManUre, why FFS we need every soul that goes into BP and they are Latics fans in the main. Totally agree with your comments there lags. There seems to be a group of supporters who are convinced we have some of the worst fans in the country and if the moaners and snipers buggered off it would result in the Latics sitting top of the division. The vocal critics have been present ever since I wheeled into Boundary park 26+ years ago and in that time the team have endured a mixture of relegation scraps and wembley appearances. I agree that slating a player will usually result in a negative response but I am sure there must be some players who have gone the other way and decided to dig deep and show the people who complain that they are actually good players ? While it might annoy us that some seem to complain no matter what the performance is like it really is a fact finacially we cannot offord to pick and choose who we admit through the gate. Drphibes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmad Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) Do you subscribe to Latics World? If so you'd soon realise Sheridan must be a half glass man, why?......... cos every interview he conducts he states we're at the wrong end of the table and need points to move away from it. Yet the vast majority (including me) listen to him and back him and the side. Whilst I'll accept that moaning at the players during games is counter productive and something to which I don't do, but what gives you the god given right to tell others what isn't their god given right? I think it's time everyone who comes on here saying that fans don't have the right to moan at players with excuses like they've paid their money not to keep saying it doesn't give you the right, which indeed as a free country they have, but just encourage them not to do it. Also I can't be doing with all these posts saying go and watch ManUre, why FFS we need every soul that goes into BP and they are Latics fans in the main. I don't mind the moaning at players for not giving 110%, if it is of course mixed in with some encouragement. I mean moaning all the time isn't much fun for anybody. Edited January 20, 2008 by laticsmad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics Lady Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I usually end up sitting near a moaner, and I try and drown them out with my singing, on my own or not. Hope we can get behind the lads on Saturday with a full stadium, sing our heads off and get the right result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I don't mind the moaning at players for not giving 110% Well done, I am sure that you must feel very proud of yourself. I agree that slating a player will usually result in a negative response but I am sure there must be some players who have gone the other way and decided to dig deep and show the people who complain that they are actually good players ? Drphibes You are absolutley right, but seem to have not noticed that they tend to prove themselves a good player at another football club and not the one where they have been hammered constantly by the crowd. My glass is always half full. I'm not an optimist. I'm an alcoholic. Kaboom tsh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty doesn't know Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Definitely half full........ I didnt even know we were 7 points from the fourth bottom place....... just that were 10 points off the play offs with 2 games in hand- thats really not too bad, especially considering we have an inexperienced manager and a young side....... The half empty fans should stay at home and Im pretty sure some latics fans go to games just for an excuse to moan. I think we should all draw up a few alternative matchday activities for these fat middle aged bald men- preferably as far away from BP as possible. SMILE. BE HAPPY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Lags, I do not have a god given right to tell people what to say or not to say. Your reply is a defensive response and in line with what I said. Also where the hell isyour last line from. Not once did I mention Manure. If the moaners stopped then I would imagine more people waold go. Some of these people moan continually throughout the 90+ minutes of a game. Your right we should encourage them not to do it which was the whole point of my post. Defensive or purely a reply that's not quite in keeping with yours? as for the last line I wasn't refering to yourself. However if you read this board for long enough and often you'll have seen that line (go watch ManUre) rolled out time and time again. We are in full agreement regarding the main point that as like minded none moaners at games we should try to encourage against it. My weakness as always been that I see everyone on this planet as equal, no matter what ability they have or how we humans guage success in terms of power and wealth created for ourselves and any such reference to who as the right for this or that bugs me and my biggest bug bear is those that feel someone with lesser mental ability is somehow wrong on any given subject by those that percieve themselves to be more clever. Again Paul that's not levelled at you regarding your topic header, just a explanation as to why I replied in the first instance. Trust me there are those that practice this belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 My weakness as always been that I see everyone on this planet as equal, no matter what ability they have or how we humans guage success in terms of power and wealth created for ourselves and any such reference to who as the right for this or that bugs me and my biggest bug bear is those that feel someone with lesser mental ability is somehow wrong on any given subject by those that percieve themselves to be more clever. Sorry mate, you lost me with that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmad Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Well done, I am sure that you must feel very proud of yourself. You are absolutley right, but seem to have not noticed that they tend to prove themselves a good player at another football club and not the one where they have been hammered constantly by the crowd. Rick, You miss-understand me mate, seems like you are very selective with your quotes. Firstly, yes I will have a moan at the players who do not give 110%, considering most of us would give our right arm to be in their position as professional footballers--the least they can do is give it their all. However, I desperatly want oldham to be successful and I am one of few, like yourself, in the upper-lookers who'll get up chant and generally get behind the team when they do good things on the pitch. Do me the favour of quoting the whole of my message next time instead being selective in order to suit your agenda. cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 To those fans that say they have paid their money and have a right to criticise, I don't believe it is a god given right. If you go to a show and it is not up to your standards do you stand up and shout at the actors because you have paid your money and therefore have the right. No you wouldn't, you do it at football matches because at the time you are anonymous except to those around you. Theatre and so on, unlke football, is not a competitive sport. Where did this idea that it is only at Boundary Park that players have ever been heckled for poor performances come from? Same crap different week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) I don't mind the moaning at players for not giving 110%, if it is of course mixed in with some encouragement. Contrary to what some on here appear to believe, this blend of voicing frustration and encouragement is exactly how most people who follow a club behave. Edited January 20, 2008 by Corporal_Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 While it might annoy us that some seem to complain no matter what the performance is like it really is a fact finacially we cannot offord to pick and choose who we admit through the gate. Drphibes If we did what some posters suggest, we would be the first club in the world to bar supporters for complaining about what happens on the pitch. On the upside we would probably get worldwide publicity. Fame at last! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drphibes Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Well done, I am sure that you must feel very proud of yourself. You are absolutley right, but seem to have not noticed that they tend to prove themselves a good player at another football club and not the one where they have been hammered constantly by the crowd. Out of interest can you give us the names of ex Latics players who after being given the bird at Bounday park went on to greater things ? The last player who got some major stick was Richard Butcher and I dont think he went onto better things did he ? Drphibes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Rick, You miss-understand me mate, seems like you are very selective with your quotes. Firstly, yes I will have a moan at the players who do not give 110%, considering most of us would give our right arm to be in their position as professional footballers--the least they can do is give it their all. However, I desperatly want oldham to be successful and I am one of few, like yourself, in the upper-lookers who'll get up chant and generally get behind the team when they do good things on the pitch. Do me the favour of quoting the whole of my message next time instead being selective in order to suit your agenda. cheers. I was being selective as there was one specific part of your post that I was commenting on, not because it suited my agenda to leave out the rest. If you had not written "I don't mind the moaning at players for not giving 110%" I wouldn't have been able to quote you. For the record, you wrote "I don't mind the moaning at players for not giving 110%, if it is of course mixed in with some encouragement. I mean moaning all the time isn't much fun for anybody." So my question would be - why moan at players, what do you think it achieves? Do you mean it is fun for everyone if you moan but also shout some encouragement? If I don't think a player is good enough or isn't putting in the effort, I talk to my mates about it and don't have a go at the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 why? Don't understand what you are saying - something about equality, power, wealth and intelligence? I am not having a go, you just lost me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Out of interest can you give us the names of ex Latics players who after being given the bird at Bounday park went on to greater things ? The last player who got some major stick was Richard Butcher and I dont think he went onto better things did he ? Drphibes Did I specifically say Latics players? Jermain Johnson? Chris Killen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmad Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I was being selective as there was one specific part of your post that I was commenting on, not because it suited my agenda to leave out the rest. If you had not written "I don't mind the moaning at players for not giving 110%" I wouldn't have been able to quote you. For the record, you wrote "I don't mind the moaning at players for not giving 110%, if it is of course mixed in with some encouragement. I mean moaning all the time isn't much fun for anybody." So my question would be - why moan at players, what do you think it achieves? Do you mean it is fun for everyone if you moan but also shout some encouragement? If I don't think a player is good enough or isn't putting in the effort, I talk to my mates about it and don't have a go at the players. I think moan is the wrong word but basically if I see that a player is not giving 110% then I will let them know, especially when you consider that most of us woud love to be out there playing. On the other hand I will always get behind the team if they gives me something to be excited about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmad Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I think moan is the wrong word but basically if I see that a player is not giving 110% then I will let them know, especially when you consider that most of us woud love to be out there playing. On the other hand I will always get behind the team if they gives me something to be excited about. read your post more carefully. I don't think it achieves anything to be honest but that is the nature of the beast for some people--voicing there concerns about what they consider to be an unacceptable performance. Like I said I think this ok as long as you get behind the team when they show something good on the pitch. Some people choose not to be blindly optimistic, and quite frankly it is dammed hard work to show entusiasm for something that is piss poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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