beag_teeets Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 What experience did W have? Or Reagan? Or Clinton? - All of them were State Governors not involved in the Washington politik. Obama is referred to as a junior Senator but that is only due to each and every State having 2 Senators, one will always be junior as the elections are usually staggered. Massive parellels to the 1997 UK election, the country had had a bellyful of the tories and would probably have voted in Liam Gallagher if that was the alternative as opposed to Blair. In the end "It's the economy stupid.." cost McCain any chance of winning, possibly a loss to the rest of the world? We would all certainly be in a better place if McCain had won the Republican nomination in 2000 rather than the puppet that did get it. Hopefully this is the first step on the road to recovery after the disasterous last 8 years, often a second term president becomes a lame duck, especially when they do not control Capitol Hill but it is rare that it happens almost as soon as they are re-elected as happened to W. I wanted Obama to win purely for his "inexperience", it is time to move on and actually have a proper US Government rather than the established order of Bush, Dole, Clinton, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the others in the shadows that have been there since Eisenhower and appointed and groomed their successors in their own image. The second world war is over, the cold war is over, no need for the bunker mentality that has dominated US policy for the last 70 or so years and perhaps allowed Islamic fundamentalism to ferment and at times use means of terror. It is also a time to reign in the excesses of capitalism rather than state sponsored expansionism into new markets whilst increasing protectionism in the US home market. So in the words or Ice Cube, Today was a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 What experience did W have? Or Reagan? Or Clinton? - All of them were State Governors not involved in the Washington politik. Obama is referred to as a junior Senator but that is only due to each and every State having 2 Senators, one will always be junior as the elections are usually staggered. Massive parellels to the 1997 UK election, the country had had a bellyful of the tories and would probably have voted in Liam Gallagher if that was the alternative as opposed to Blair. In the end "It's the economy stupid.." cost McCain any chance of winning, possibly a loss to the rest of the world? We would all certainly be in a better place if McCain had won the Republican nomination in 2000 rather than the puppet that did get it. Hopefully this is the first step on the road to recovery after the disasterous last 8 years, often a second term president becomes a lame duck, especially when they do not control Capitol Hill but it is rare that it happens almost as soon as they are re-elected as happened to W. I wanted Obama to win purely for his "inexperience", it is time to move on and actually have a proper US Government rather than the established order of Bush, Dole, Clinton, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the others in the shadows that have been there since Eisenhower and appointed and groomed their successors in their own image. The second world war is over, the cold war is over, no need for the bunker mentality that has dominated US policy for the last 70 or so years and perhaps allowed Islamic fundamentalism to ferment and at times use means of terror. It is also a time to reign in the excesses of capitalism rather than state sponsored expansionism into new markets whilst increasing protectionism in the US home market. So in the words or Ice Cube, Today was a good day. I agree about the experience thing. Almost by definition, no one can have the experience. However, isn't it funny that the anti-Washington election was run by one insider against another? Who's Sarah Palin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I agree about the experience thing. Almost by definition, no one can have the experience. However, isn't it funny that the anti-Washington election was run by one insider against another? Who's Sarah Palin? Two outsiders from opposite ends of the spectrum who both allowed it to go entirely unquestioned that the Federal Government should spend $700billion to put, erm, whichever one of them won in charge of the nation’s banks. At least Lenin was pretty up front about his intentions before he did that sort of thing. The other thing that is irking me is the way the media coverage is hailing it proof that the American electorate has somehow shown that they are super-civilised by electing a black man. Race is hardly a none-issue when an estimated 94% of the black population vote for a particular candidate, and far less of the white voters do. If nobody thought it worth mentioning much one way or another and voted for him because they thought he had some good policies, or indeed any policies at all, then they would have cracked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) Two outsiders from opposite ends of the spectrum who both allowed it to go entirely unquestioned that the Federal Government should spend $700billion to put, erm, whichever one of them won in charge of the nation’s banks. At least Lenin was pretty up front about his intentions before he did that sort of thing. The other thing that is irking me is the way the media coverage is hailing it proof that the American electorate has somehow shown that they are super-civilised by electing a black man. Race is hardly a none-issue when an estimated 94% of the black population vote for a particular candidate, and far less of the white voters do. If nobody thought it worth mentioning much one way or another and voted for him because they thought he had some good policies, or indeed any policies at all, then they would have cracked it. Behind the eye that looks through the crosshairs will be a brain that works that way, even if the mouth underneath is a little less articulate. Communism and capitalism are now non-categories--defunct ways of thinking about things. Let it go. Edited November 5, 2008 by 24hoursfromtulsehill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Behind the eye that looks through the crosshairs will be a brain that works that way, even if the mouth underneath is a little less articulate. Communism and capitalism are now non-categories--defunct ways of thinking about things. Let it go. The road to serfdom follows the same route as it ever did. They sense we are vulnerable now that Charlton Heston has not just one but two cold dead hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 The road to serfdom follows the same route as it ever did. They sense we are vulnerable now that Charlton Heston has not just one but two cold dead hands. The motorcade filled with armed-to-the-teeth sharpshooters does not suggest that anyone thinks that you maniacs are vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martjs Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) True, which is why I think Obama will win, while he isnt the strongest candidate. Obama has activated the 'black' vote along with the democrats thats would have voted for Clinton. McCain has the experience (Palin excepted) having served in the army. Obama will win, but he is the wrong candidate to win. Lets face it, Obama is an unknown quantity. Granted he has shown an unprecidented public persona but who actually knows what Obama stands for? No-one. McCain is the the 'known' candidate even though he is likley to lose! It's hard to say what makes one candidate stronger than another. Obama picked a team who ran an impressive campaign so maybe he can pick a government and advisors who run an impressive administration... No offence to anyone who has served in the army (or any of the armed services) but it does not make you more prepared to be president. Clinton activated the 'black' vote and won twice - so did Gore and Kerry but the elections of 2000 and 2004 were stolen through disenfranchisement of the black vote. I agree the 'real' McCain (not the real McCoy) would probably have been a better president but, as I posted earlier, he thought he had to sell his soul and move to the right to get the necessary "base" votes. Personally, I don't think he had to do that as most of those in the base who didn't like his centrist views would never, ever vote for a Democrat (black, female or even a white male) We thought a trained monkey (or even Liam Gallagher) could have won the 2004 election for the Democrats as that election was "their's to lose" but for one reason and another (see above) the genius Dubya was re-elected. Obama might not be the best man for the job but it was time for a new direction (a la 1997 in the UK) and it's going to be 4 tough years of recession and assassination attempts... If the worst comes to the worst, at least it will be President Biden instead of President Palin... Edited November 5, 2008 by martjs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 sarah palin...filed in the "where are they now" section! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 sarah palin...filed in the "where are they now" section! She'll make an absolute mint of she decides to make a porn film, although she would immediately put several thousand impersonaters out of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 But would you purchase said item? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 But would you purchase said item? Nope. Probably rip it off from the net just out of gruesome celebrity fascination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dizzee Rascal just on Newsnight then. Obama has hip hop to thank. He certainly does Paxman versus Dizzee Rascal. Blimey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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