shez out?

[c.hill12]

why do people want to remove a manager who:

has assembled a very good young squad with a spine of experience,

currently sat in the top 6 5 points off 2nd

working with the 3rd smallest budget in the league

fending off numnerous big clubs trying to cherry pick his best players

just after transfer deadline

took us to play-offs in 1st season and came close with a virtual youth team due 2 injuries last year

plays good football when possible

knows the world of football and our club as well as anybody

who else would people bring in? who could do any better?

how many successful clubs chop and change managers when the chips r down? Look at chelsea now? struggling after sacking a manager. and the filthy reds? still got taggart and chasing silverware all over the show(even if it hurts me to say it)

I think it's time we all got behind shez and his staff and push in the same direction-for promotion

 

KEEP THE FAITH EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!

[Senor_Coconut]

why do people want to remove a manager who:

has assembled a very good young squad with a spine of experience,

currently sat in the top 6 5 points off 2nd

working with the 3rd smallest budget in the league

fending off numnerous big clubs trying to cherry pick his best players

just after transfer deadline

took us to play-offs in 1st season and came close with a virtual youth team due 2 injuries last year

plays good football when possible

knows the world of football and our club as well as anybody

who else would people bring in? who could do any better?

how many successful clubs chop and change managers when the chips r down? Look at chelsea now? struggling after sacking a manager. and the filthy reds? still got taggart and chasing silverware all over the show(even if it hurts me to say it)

I think it's time we all got behind shez and his staff and push in the same direction-for promotion

 

KEEP THE FAITH EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

When you put it like that it almost makes you forget the terrible football we are playing and how we struggle to beat teams at the bottom of the division time after time.

 

[LaticsChris]

we've struggled against the weaker teams under most managers in living memory. and if thats what you call terrible football then maybe you should pop over to clayton playing fields every now and again

[oafc1955]

we've struggled against the weaker teams under most managers in living memory. and if thats what you call terrible football then maybe you should pop over to clayton playing fields every now and again

 

 

 

Yeh but they aren't on 2k a week...a bit of a difference methinks!!!!

 

The weaker teams are only near the bottom for one reason...They are crap and thera's no excuse for not wiping the floor with the vast majority of them!!

 

 

 

[OLDHAMADE]

why do people want to remove a manager who:

has assembled a very good young squad with a spine of experience,

currently sat in the top 6 5 points off 2nd

working with the 3rd smallest budget in the league

fending off numnerous big clubs trying to cherry pick his best players

just after transfer deadline

took us to play-offs in 1st season and came close with a virtual youth team due 2 injuries last year

plays good football when possible

knows the world of football and our club as well as anybody

who else would people bring in? who could do any better?

how many successful clubs chop and change managers when the chips r down? Look at chelsea now? struggling after sacking a manager. and the filthy reds? still got taggart and chasing silverware all over the show(even if it hurts me to say it)

I think it's time we all got behind shez and his staff and push in the same direction-for promotion

 

KEEP THE FAITH EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!

 

FINALLY! a well balanced post

 

Putting it another way: ok sack Shez and get who? someone else who can manage on a little more than fresh air

 

Fair play to the guy in my book, doing a decent job with a club punching well above it's weight and has been for years!

 

[OldhamSheridan]

Why do people want to remove a manager who:

• has assembled a very good young squad with a spine of experience, - Agree.

currently sat in the top 6 5 points off 2nd - Just, and not looking too grand at the moment.

working with the 3rd smallest budget in the league - I wish someone would tell the real position, as this just can't be right.

fending off numerous big clubs trying to cherry pick his best players just after transfer deadline - Not his job

took us to play-offs in 1st season and came close with a virtual youth team due 2 injuries last year - Well he didn't really in the second year, and he wasn't doing exactly great when we had the full team.

plays good football when possible - Agree.

knows the world of football and our club as well as anybody - Agree about our club.

who else would people bring in? who could do any better? - No one I can think of that would come here.

how many successful clubs chop and change managers when the chips r down? Look at chelsea now? struggling after sacking a manager. and the filthy reds? still got taggart and chasing silverware all over the show(even if it hurts me to say it) - 47,984.

I think it's time we all got behind shez and his staff and push in the same direction-for promotion - Agree.

[Stitch_KTF]

working with the 3rd smallest budget in the league

 

as for limited budget...take leeds and leicster out of it,and we probably have the next best budget,as he has had for 3 seasons running

 

 

I'd use a here, but c.hill12's comment can be substantiated.

[Rocky_Latic]

we've struggled against the weaker teams under most managers in living memory. and if thats what you call terrible football then maybe you should pop over to clayton playing fields every now and again

Difference being one's professional for a living, ones amateur's doing it for fun (most of them hungover). The sad thing is, you couldnt tell them apart sometimes this season and the amount of absolutely dreadful performances which follow with "i'm disgraced. I promise the fans they wont be seeing a performance like that again all season" - only for it to happen less than a week later. Takes the p*ss.

 

How Shez continues to play the invisible man in Centre mid (whittaker), I do not know. People go on about Lomax and Eardley but Whittaker has been below par for just as long, with a few ready made replacements who can come in for him. Yet Shez chooses to stick by him and he constantly fails to put in a performance to show Shez was right to keep faith. Will he ever put in a tackle. Will he ever win the 2nd ball? It's baffling to think Shez was one of the greatest centre mid's English football has seen, yet he plays Whitts bad game after bad game when there's Lee, Maher and Stephens all wondering why the hell they arent getting a chance.

 

Shez is doing alright with us, but some of his decisions with starting line up, tactics (far too defensive at scunny) and subs (most predictable in the league??) are absolutely baffling.

[c.hill12]

Difference being one's professional for a living, ones amateur's doing it for fun (most of them hungover). The sad thing is, you couldnt tell them apart sometimes this season and the amount of absolutely dreadful performances which follow with "i'm disgraced. I promise the fans they wont be seeing a performance like that again all season" - only for it to happen less than a week later. Takes the p*ss.

 

How Shez continues to play the invisible man in Centre mid (whittaker), I do not know. People go on about Lomax and Eardley but Whittaker has been below par for just as long, with a few ready made replacements who can come in for him. Yet Shez chooses to stick by him and he constantly fails to put in a performance to show Shez was right to keep faith. Will he ever put in a tackle. Will he ever win the 2nd ball? It's baffling to think Shez was one of the greatest centre mid's English football has seen, yet he plays Whitts bad game after bad game when there's Lee, Maher and Stephens all wondering why the hell they arent getting a chance.

 

Shez is doing alright with us, but some of his decisions with starting line up, tactics (far too defensive at scunny) and subs (most predictable in the league??) are absolutely baffling.

 

i'm not claiming shez is the best manager in the world, i am just asking people who could come in and do a better job mid season? yes granted we do struggle in certain types of game(ie when lower teams come and sit 10men behind the ball to defend) i do have critisisms of shez like he should use his subs more directly and maybe change the shape of the team when things r difficult and we're struggling to break a team down but look at the potential in our team! Come on give him the chance to develop that potential. he has knows his budget and used it rather well. we have scouts flocking from all over and just maybe sheridan is a victim of his early season success. We set off on a storming run and expectation levels soared. What good is booing after a draw going to do? teams set out 2 frustrate us at boundary park and im sure it was frustrating for shez and the lads as it was for us. we need to be patient as a club and have some positive vibes about the place. We have a very exciting young goalkeeper, a varied backline that in gregan has aleader with presence, young energitic wingers with plenty of potential, midfielders that have goals in them and the best looking strike force seen at bp since palmer and ritchie. Y can't we all pull in the same direction and stop the moaning and negative reactions.

[kalalas_koala]

why do people want to remove a manager who:

has assembled a very good young squad with a spine of experience - Windass, Hughes, Crossley/Fleming, Taylor, Eardley, Gregan - More than enough quality to get us into the top two.

 

currently sat in the top 6 5 points off 2nd - Not good enough with the squad available; Lee, Stephens, Willams (relesead after 6 months...tell us why), Gregan, Fleming (Rejected championship clubs to join us, not on peanuts), Taylor (signed a new contract, not on peanuts), Eardley (signed a new contract, not on peanuts, but on the bench), Maher (Not on a cheap contract, only a sub), A number of these not used when its obvious a change is needed.

 

working with the 3rd smallest budget in the league - According to who? Shez? Windass - Not cheap, Offering Hughes 3k a week apparently, Crossley, Gregan, Taylor, Maher, Lee, Fleming, dont believe that for a second!

 

fending off numnerous big clubs trying to cherry pick his best players - Allegedly. Taylor has been anonymous without DJ, Hughes couldnt care less, wherever the most money is he will go, Windass doesnt want to be here, is only here because were the nearest club to where he lives and Hull know hes too old for the Premier League.

 

took us to play-offs in 1st season and came close with a virtual youth team due 2 injuries last year - (Eardley, Taylor, Lomax) Id back myself to achieve the same with the squd he had available. Thats 3 players out of 11.

 

plays good football when possible - Where is it this season then? Lomax, Hazell HOOF when they get on the ball!

 

knows the world of football and our club as well as anybody - ha ha', yeh ok then, name a signing he has made as a result of this 'knowledge'. Bringing in his mates of 30 odd years if age wont get us out of this league.

 

who else would people bring in? who could do any better? Aidy Bothroyd, Jim Gannon, Paul Ince (unlikely, but possible). Andy Ritchie 9

 

how many successful clubs chop and change managers when the chips r down? Look at chelsea now? struggling after sacking a manager. and the filthy reds? still got taggart and chasing silverware all over the show(even if it hurts me to say it) - Arsene Wenger?, Dario Gradi?

 

I think it's time we all got behind shez and his staff and push in the same direction-for promotion - I want some of what your on. If you believe he can get us out of this division you are deluded.

[OldhamSheridan]

Hmmm, a slightly negative outlook there. Sheridan is doing a bad job as he is in the playoffs, despite most saying he would be doing well if he made the playoffs. Okay then. He should win every game 5-0? The squad is decent, but let's not get carried away - it isn't any better than pretty much its current position.

 

If Windass didn't want to be here, I doubt he'd have signed. Not really got much need to has he?

 

Brings in his mates? Who, and where did they meet? Footballers Reunited? I love this one, just because someone is over 30 they must be one of Sheridans 'mates'.

 

I can only think that Ritchie out of that managerial bunch would come here. Maybe Gannon at one hell of a push. Is that (Ritchie) the way forward?

 

I believe it isn't impossible for him to get us out of this division, but other teams seem to have the same objective for some reason.

Edited February 3, 2009 by OldhamSheridan

[c.hill12]

Hmmm, a slightly negative outlook there. Sheridan is doing a bad job as he is in the playoffs, despite most saying he would be doing well if he made the playoffs. Okay then. He should win every game 5-0? The squad is decent, but let's not get carried away - it isn't any better than pretty much its current position.

 

If Windass didn't want to be here, I doubt he'd have signed. Not really got much need to has he?

 

Brings in his mates? Who, and where did they meet? Footballers Reunited? I love this one, just because someone is over 30 they must be one of Sheridans 'mates'.

 

I can only think that Ritchie out of that managerial bunch would come here. Maybe Gannon at one hell of a push. Is that (Ritchie) the way forward?

 

I believe it isn't impossible for him to get us out of this division, but other teams seem to have the same objective for some reason.

 

i 100% agree with this post. There are 3 promotion places available so let's weigh it up:

lets put things in2 prospective moneywise for arguments sake. leicester+leeds spent a fortune and get huge crowds for our league

huddersfield spent over 1.5mil

brighton spent £300k ish

mk dons + posh both got loaded owners

even colchester were putting £500k bids in for players

now let's look at the attendance figures for our league

Average Attendance Rankings

Team Pld Total Highest Average Capacity Pct

1 Leeds United (7) 14 331548 33580 23682 40204 58.9%

2 Leicester City (1) 15 274992 23390 18333 32500 56.4%

3 Huddersfield Town (10) 15 201081 16950 13405 24500 54.7%

4 Milton Keynes Dons (2) 14 137081 17073 9792 22000 44.5%

5 Millwall (5) 14 121992 13041 8714 20146 43.2%

6 Southend United (13) 13 103270 10132 7944 12392 64.1%

7 Swindon Town (19) 14 106590 13001 7614 15728 48.4%

8 Peterborough United (4) 14 98536 13191 7038 15314 45.9%

9 Bristol Rovers (14) 13 91000 9002 7000 11976 58.4%

10 Carlisle United (18) 13 87436 12148 6726 16651 40.3%

11 Tranmere Rovers (9) 14 90988 22618 6499 16587 39.1%

12 Stockport County (8) 14 89150 10273 6368 11000 57.8%

13 Brighton & Hove Albion (20) 13 79146 7096 6088 8850 68.7%

14 Oldham Athletic (6) 15 87092 8901 5806 13559 42.8%

15 Northampton Town (15) 15 79511 7028 5301 7653 69.2%

16 Scunthorpe United (3) 13 68500 8315 5269 9183 57.3%

17 Walsall (12) 13 62498 8920 4808 11300 42.5%

18 Colchester United (11) 14 66669 6290 4762 6200 76.8%

19 Leyton Orient (21) 14 65274 6951 4662 9271 50.2%

20 Yeovil Town (17) 14 60830 6580 4345 9400 46.2%

21 Cheltenham Town (24) 14 57106 5726 4079 7407 55.0%

22 Crewe Alexandra (22) 13 50016 5780 3847 10118 38.0%

23 Hartlepool United (16) 14 49712 4507 3551 7229 49.1%

24 Hereford United (23) 13 41995 4061 3230 8843 36.5%

bit confusing so here's the link http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/attend.html

Alot of latics fans have ideas above our station. Yes we used to be a premier league club but it was more a case of we were punching above our weight back then than underacheiving now.

Granted, us as fans deserve 2 see abit of success at bp due 2 the last 15 yrs or so we've suffered but we need to do it sensibly and follow our business plan and budget, something that sheridan sees.

[leezyverpunk]

i 100% agree with this post. There are 3 promotion places available so let's weigh it up:

lets put things in2 prospective moneywise for arguments sake. leicester+leeds spent a fortune and get huge crowds for our league

huddersfield spent over 1.5mil

brighton spent £300k ish

mk dons + posh both got loaded owners

even colchester were putting £500k bids in for players

now let's look at the attendance figures for our league

Average Attendance Rankings

Team Pld Total Highest Average Capacity Pct

1 Leeds United (7) 14 331548 33580 23682 40204 58.9%

2 Leicester City (1) 15 274992 23390 18333 32500 56.4%

3 Huddersfield Town (10) 15 201081 16950 13405 24500 54.7%

4 Milton Keynes Dons (2) 14 137081 17073 9792 22000 44.5%

5 Millwall (5) 14 121992 13041 8714 20146 43.2%

6 Southend United (13) 13 103270 10132 7944 12392 64.1%

7 Swindon Town (19) 14 106590 13001 7614 15728 48.4%

8 Peterborough United (4) 14 98536 13191 7038 15314 45.9%

9 Bristol Rovers (14) 13 91000 9002 7000 11976 58.4%

10 Carlisle United (18) 13 87436 12148 6726 16651 40.3%

11 Tranmere Rovers (9) 14 90988 22618 6499 16587 39.1%

12 Stockport County (8) 14 89150 10273 6368 11000 57.8%

13 Brighton & Hove Albion (20) 13 79146 7096 6088 8850 68.7%

14 Oldham Athletic (6) 15 87092 8901 5806 13559 42.8%

15 Northampton Town (15) 15 79511 7028 5301 7653 69.2%

16 Scunthorpe United (3) 13 68500 8315 5269 9183 57.3%

17 Walsall (12) 13 62498 8920 4808 11300 42.5%

18 Colchester United (11) 14 66669 6290 4762 6200 76.8%

19 Leyton Orient (21) 14 65274 6951 4662 9271 50.2%

20 Yeovil Town (17) 14 60830 6580 4345 9400 46.2%

21 Cheltenham Town (24) 14 57106 5726 4079 7407 55.0%

22 Crewe Alexandra (22) 13 50016 5780 3847 10118 38.0%

23 Hartlepool United (16) 14 49712 4507 3551 7229 49.1%

24 Hereford United (23) 13 41995 4061 3230 8843 36.5%

bit confusing so here's the link http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/attend.html

Alot of latics fans have ideas above our station. Yes we used to be a premier league club but it was more a case of we were punching above our weight back then than underacheiving now.

Granted, us as fans deserve 2 see abit of success at bp due 2 the last 15 yrs or so we've suffered but we need to do it sensibly and follow our business plan and budget, something that sheridan sees.

brill post - realistically we should know who we are and just enjoy the footy without these ridiculous expectations

[Scapegoat]

The weaker teams are only near the bottom for one reason...They are crap and thera's no excuse for not wiping the floor with the vast majority of them!!

 

I'd actually say its generally because they are inconsistent rather than being crap. But that's my opinion.

 

 

 

Is Sheriden perfect? No, of course not and I don't think that anyone (including himself) would say so. But find me a club whose supporters don't find something to criticise (even when Man U lost a few games you get their fans saying its time for a change).

 

Does anyone realistically think we'll get another manager in that has a 'proven' record to replace Shez? Our next manager (and it will happen at some point) will either be A.N.Other unproven newbie OR a manager with a CV with more failures than successes.

 

For me Sheriden has yet to have a 'failure' season; and we are in our 3rd season of moderate success i.e. still in with a shout of going up. He is young and relatively inexperienced, and I think he is learning (though in some areas slower than I'd like - permenant tfr dealings could be better).

 

Change for the sake of change without any obvious improvement as a result? Madness. Time and time again people say that managers need time to build a successful side - personally I'd give him another 2 full-seasons failing a relegation fight. However I'd accept that in the current football world, the end of this season may well be decision time for TTA. If we don't get promoted, then we need to have had a strong-ish finish and a valiant attempt in the play-offs - OR they may want a change.

Edited February 3, 2009 by Scapegoat