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52-48 No matter who had won on such a margin, IN or OUT... The reality is, nothing is for certain with such a narrow win. We now have exit negotiations, leadership battles and general elections, further independence referendums to deal with now. OUT had no plan..... We now get to form that plan. Everything to play for to be frank. What OUT looks like could be anything to be frank. Lib Dems are already going to campaign on a staying in EU ticket etc for example and with 16 million people potentially looking for a voice they might be making a come back. I don't think anything is for certain over the coming years.

This would require a treaty change and we have a veto available to stop that. We also will still have article 50 still available. So it can only happen if our UK elected body allow it to happen and I don't think there is ANY appetite for this from anyone on any of the political divide. As there is big opposition to such things within the rest of Europe. ~ Considering local democracy and sovereignty is such a big deal to most out campaigners then this should give you some sleep ? So cool... You can calm down and vote remain now right ?

What are you fearing leeslover ? What do you think they are going to do to you / us ?

FTFY

Weak argument... Cameron - Prime Minister Osborn - Chancellor of exchequer Majority of the Tory Cabinate (ruling party) Majority of the Tory Party (ruling party - I think going off the rough numbers I have seen) Corybn - Leader of the Labour Party Farron - Leader of the Lib Dems Bennett - Leader of the Greens Sturgeon - Leader of the SNP Khan - Mayor of London All for Remain While its technically true remain is not a party.... the idea the remain side won't retain massive political power if they win is weak... they are accountable... Leave are not... I would suggest the hurdles to Boris, Gove, IDS and Farage gaining power if they win and being in the position to give things they have promised like no VAT on fuel is extremely difficult. Do you honestly disagree ?

Vote remain Not one of the out campaigns arguments stands up to scrutiny.

This seems to be lost on a lot of the country... Leaves promises have no substance of accountability... They can say what they want...

Not really... Football is one of those sports where its incredibly easy to get back in the swing of things.... Its the more the fact he faces a trail and is possibly a dirty rapist that is more of a gamble...

Doubt it...

They don't know...

Have you confused me with someone else... I have never been positive....

I gave up a long time ago mate Still lurking, still seeing the usual suspects saying "Nothing to see here"... Its actually the first time in months I have been on and all hell is breaking lose... Or as we call it, business as usual....

Hardly... While I think there was a clear agenda from that bitch Thatcher and it was ultimately a knee jerk and wrong decision. That is all with what we know today. Back in the 90s while some people where complaining about the loss of standing I don't remember anyone really protesting against it given what had happened. The fact is no body ever died because of seats (unless you want to include the odd trip or other random event). That doesn't mean standing can't be safe either. So yeah wrong, but it was hardly absurd....

I have always laughed out loud at that comment from the police

Fans behaviour is all shades of grey. What I deemed acceptable behaviour would change from what I did on match day and what I did in a normal walk of life. You don't recognise that change it all? Now I come to realise what I deemed "acceptable" on those Saturdays was actually quite horrible and I was hardly any sort of trouble maker or bad egg. No doubt some people attend a Football match the same way someone might attend the Cinema, in a very calm and respectful manner. I think for a lot of fans though its closer to my experience and there behaviour is distinctly different on a match day. It create a sort of fire in your belly. This is way off topic about Hillsborough now. Those fans had nothing to do with the disaster and I don't want anyone making any more stupid links between what I am saying above and the disaster. Its disrespectful to the families if nothing else and disrespectful to me as its clear I placer NO blame on the fans. NONE. They are very separate chains of thoughts.

Word twisting alert ^^^^ But to answer your point directly... No, supporting a football team doesn't inevitably mean you become a hate filled animal... I am simply saying taking a break from being a supporter certainly opened my eyes to some of my previous behaviour as a fan and I am actually quite ashamed about it. Some of the things I used to feel. Some of the things I used to think. Some of the songs I used to sing. I can't even put it down to youth! Its all just utterly bazzare to me now. It would be hard to argue it doesn't have an effect on some people following a club. Look at the comments from Pine Villians above and others. Or does Liverpool fans rightly not being blamed for the Hillsborough disaster mean that football fans are now only saints and all of footballs problems are in the past and anyone thinking different is as bad as the c**ts at South Yorkshire Police ? Interesting.... The tribalism we see in the game and what it leads to is still a big problem. Some of the hatred is outstanding. Its to the point where some people can't see beyond the lies spun by the police because they simply "hate" Liverpool fans. Are you really saying you don't see the issue ? There are a number of examples just clicks away. I really think there are very few people attending games at the weekend who are not affected by this tribalism to some level. The way some people would view someone totally changes if you change the environment to a football match and put a different coloured shirt on their backs.

It would seem so

After you spend sometime away from the heat of supporting a club every day... You come to realise how hating someone from the next town along just because they watch a different football team is just utterly weird....

Apparently catching the Yorkshire ripper makes up for it all...

Read this morning and thought of your comment... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35473732

Hillsborough inquests: Retired South Yorkshire Police officers 'proud' of force - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36156906 They really give zero :censored:s don't they...

Vivid memories... I went to the game with my Dad. Got home to a pretty upset mum who had been out shopping and just heard about deaths at a match. No internet back then so mums being mums started to worry it might be us even though she had heard it was at the semi final.... All got home about the same time and then learn't about it via the TV. We had heard at the match about some "trouble" at the semi final but I didn't know more. Not sure if my dad was just trying to protect me from it. Really messed my head up to be honest and found it very scary. Its blatantly obvious it could of easily have been us, or any football fan. Was it the next day the Scum printed the photos of the fans crushed against the fences. Wished I had never seen those photos. You can't unsee them

Fans turning up late due to a motorway delay was hardly unusual... The speed at which the turnstile could admit people and the way the police didn't manage the crowds made it a none issue anyway....

Maybe you should start with the two years of gathered evidence. Your mind or experiences are not required. All the hard work has been done for you. You are just very actively ignoring and remaining intentionally ignorant on the matter. Not sure why...