frizzell54

We're not out yet. Parliament has to repeal the EU act of 1972 and I cannot see this happening despite what Cameron says, he cannot speak for all MPs.

Of course it is, getting p*ssed off with the whole thing.

Clearly, the idea of this referendum was some large scale brinkmanship which has backfired spectacularly on the political establishment in the UK as well as in Europe and the US. If the EU had some reasonable-minded people running it, people with a bit of empathy and flexibility, then none of this would have happened. End the needless and pointless austerity across Europe. Do not allow Turkey to enter the union, once and for all end its ambitions clearly and absolutely stop :censored:ing with Ukraine on behalf of Washington. Send Syrians refugees to America the country that bloody destabilised the whole region. As for the likes of Junker and co, get non-psychopaths to run the organisation instead...surely it can't be that hard to find a few normal bloody people with half a brain.

This, thanks for that.

And it has no effective power.

We've had the vote, we have a result get over it.

No chance. Cameron has already been told that he got everything possible. An out vote would have a better chance of bringing the EU to its senses. if in win it will be business as usual - steady direction to more unification.

Pensioners ain't frit.

I think Putin is happy enough with a weak or isolationist president in the White House. I think you will also find that he is on record as saying the decision is for the British people.

From the BBC website. "Oldham are finished 17th in League One last season and are currently looking for a new manager." Freudian slip?

Didn't see that bit.

From Official Site: CLUB STATEMENT1 hours 18 mins ago "We are aware of the winding up petition brought by HMRC scheduled for Monday, June 20 and our legal advisors are dealing with it." Not over yet.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/eu-referendum-vote-leave-leaders-reveal-post-brexit-roadmap-7083816.html

Exactly, and that is precisely what has happened when I have previously posted legitimate article and arguments, hence my reference to 'previous post' (look back to my posts and 'piginbland's responses). I didn't see you stepping in then. In my opinion, the article is drivel.

Rambling drivel from a rather nasty person. Someone in a previous post made reference to author's credentials. A A Gill: In 2010, The Sunday Times disclosed that Gill had been the subject of 62 PCC complaints in five years. Gill has been critical of the Welsh; in 1998 his descriptions of them as "loquacious, dissemblers, immoral liars, stunted, bigoted, dark, ugly, pugnacious little trolls" Gill has been critical of the English, describing them as "embarrassing" and an "ugly race" as well as a "lumpen and louty, coarse, unsubtle, beady-eyed, beefy-bummed herd".[12][13] In February 2011, Gill described the county of Norfolk as 'the hernia on the end of England'.[14] In December 2013 his column, published in The Sunday Times in the run-up to New Year's Eve, was the result of a night on the beat in Grimsby and Cleethorpes and was heavily critical of both towns where Grimsby is "on the road to nowhere" and Cleethorpes is full of "hunched and grubby semi-detached homes". [15] Humberside Police and Crime Commissioner Matthew Grove described Gill as "A tweed-suited, Mayfair-based writer, whose only experience of the North of England was his visit to Cleethorpes and his regular trips salmon fishing in Scotland." In a review of Clare Balding's 2010 Britain by Bike TV programme, Gill referred to the presenter as "a big lesbian" and "a dyke on a bike".

Comment in today’s Guardian re: PM’s Question Time: Talking of arses, parliament was full of them today toadying up to Dave feeding him stories about how a company in their constituency is going to move to the EU. Maybe they haven't noticed, a lot already have. Someone posted this here yesterday: Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant. Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant. Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata. Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant. British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan. Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200. M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan. Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants. Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant. Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant. Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant. Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding. Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing. ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase. JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry. UK airports are owned by a Spanish company. Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company. Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies. The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online. Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada. 39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently. The EU, good for Britain, good for British jobs.

It was posted to give people an opportunity to view/read and form their own opinion. Thanks for sharing yours.

A closed mind is not the mark of an educated person.

1. See my previous post. It is below. I suggest watch the video, the pdf link was supporting information for those with stamina. One of my major concerns is how the EU will develop if we stay in. You will not be voting for the status quo. 2. How nice to be so young.

John Mann and Dennis Skinner, both of whom represent working class Labour heartlands, became the party's eighth and ninth MPs to campaign for an Out vote on 23 June.

Which has no relevance to the actual plan.

You asked for a plan, you have been presented with a coherent plan. Yet, rather than discuss the plan you make a personal attack on the authors.

This is a plan: http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf some 400+ pages. I suggest watch the video. This is the video to go with it:

The will not need to do this remain are already plotting to keep the Uk in regardless of the vote, see this link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120

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