OAFCMIKE Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 I'm sick of seeing all this: "Jose Mourinho could be in charge and he wouldn't get us in the top half on our budget', 'All that will happen is that a new man will come in, be given a year and then fired off', and 'It doesn't matter who the manager is, the problems at the club run deeper than that.' RUBBISH Was Joe Royle's budget the first time round one of the biggest in the Division? Is Blackpool's now one of the highest in the Championship? What about Bournemouth? Howe couldn't even sign anyone could he? The fact is that there ARE managers out there who are better than others. Whose teams finish above others who have more money to spend. Big budgets don't buy titles. Ask City. That's the beauty of football. Jim Gannon worked wonders at County with nowt. Why can't he do the same here? League One is not rocket science, despite our outgoing manager making it look that way. Let's be honest. Penney was abysmal. He didn't fail because of the fans. Absolute tosh. He failed because of his own pathetic performance. What precious little he had he squandered. This is a pivotal point for Latics now. The right choice needs to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueArmy1989 Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 eddie howe bournemouth?? promotion on feck all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc-latics Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 eddie howe bournemouth?? promotion on feck all cant see it happening, theyll be in the same league next season and he's a bournemouth guy too so wont move. the only thing that would tempt him would be money for him and players which he'd be unlikely to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueArmy1989 Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 he aint even got a contract has he? yeah i agree he is a bournemouth man through and through but maybe a contract and a half decent budget may tempt him, has a good eye for a player too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 I'm sick of seeing all this: "Jose Mourinho could be in charge and he wouldn't get us in the top half on our budget', 'All that will happen is that a new man will come in, be given a year and then fired off', and 'It doesn't matter who the manager is, the problems at the club run deeper than that.' RUBBISH Was Joe Royle's budget the first time round one of the biggest in the Division? ...... I stopped reading after there... Joe wouldn't have been sacked...would he? Final 1983/1984 English Division 2 (old) Table P HW HD HL HGF HGA AW AD AL AGF AGA Points GD Chelsea 42 15 4 2 55 17 10 9 2 35 23 88 +50 Sheff Wed 42 16 4 1 47 16 10 6 5 25 18 88 +38 Newcastle 42 16 2 3 51 18 8 6 7 34 35 80 +32 Man City 42 13 3 5 43 21 7 7 7 23 27 70 +18 Grimsby 42 13 6 2 36 15 6 7 8 24 32 70 +13 Blackburn 42 9 11 1 35 19 8 5 8 22 27 67 +11 Carlisle 42 10 9 2 29 13 6 7 8 19 28 64 +7 Shrewsbury 42 13 5 3 34 18 4 5 12 15 35 61 -4 Brighton 42 11 6 4 42 17 6 3 12 27 43 60 +9 Leeds 42 13 4 4 33 16 3 8 10 22 40 60 -1 Fulham 42 9 6 6 35 24 6 6 9 25 29 57 +7 Huddersfield 42 8 6 7 27 20 6 9 6 29 29 57 +7 Charlton 42 13 4 4 40 26 3 5 13 13 38 57 -11 Barnsley 42 9 6 6 33 23 6 1 14 24 30 52 +4 Cardiff 42 11 3 7 32 27 4 3 14 21 39 51 -13 Portsmouth 42 8 3 10 46 32 6 4 11 27 32 49 +9 Middlesbro 42 9 8 4 26 18 3 5 13 15 29 49 -6 C Palace 42 8 5 8 18 18 4 6 11 24 34 47 -10 Oldham 42 10 6 5 33 27 3 2 16 14 46 47 -26 Derby 42 9 5 7 26 26 2 4 15 10 46 42 -36 Swansea 42 7 4 10 20 28 0 4 17 16 57 29 -49 Cambridge U 42 4 7 10 20 33 0 5 16 8 44 24 -49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCMIKE Posted May 6, 2010 Author Share Posted May 6, 2010 I stopped reading after there... Joe wouldn't have been sacked...would he? Final 1983/1984 English Division 2 (old) Table P HW HD HL HGF HGA AW AD AL AGF AGA Points GD Chelsea 42 15 4 2 55 17 10 9 2 35 23 88 +50 Sheff Wed 42 16 4 1 47 16 10 6 5 25 18 88 +38 Newcastle 42 16 2 3 51 18 8 6 7 34 35 80 +32 Man City 42 13 3 5 43 21 7 7 7 23 27 70 +18 Grimsby 42 13 6 2 36 15 6 7 8 24 32 70 +13 Blackburn 42 9 11 1 35 19 8 5 8 22 27 67 +11 Carlisle 42 10 9 2 29 13 6 7 8 19 28 64 +7 Shrewsbury 42 13 5 3 34 18 4 5 12 15 35 61 -4 Brighton 42 11 6 4 42 17 6 3 12 27 43 60 +9 Leeds 42 13 4 4 33 16 3 8 10 22 40 60 -1 Fulham 42 9 6 6 35 24 6 6 9 25 29 57 +7 Huddersfield 42 8 6 7 27 20 6 9 6 29 29 57 +7 Charlton 42 13 4 4 40 26 3 5 13 13 38 57 -11 Barnsley 42 9 6 6 33 23 6 1 14 24 30 52 +4 Cardiff 42 11 3 7 32 27 4 3 14 21 39 51 -13 Portsmouth 42 8 3 10 46 32 6 4 11 27 32 49 +9 Middlesbro 42 9 8 4 26 18 3 5 13 15 29 49 -6 C Palace 42 8 5 8 18 18 4 6 11 24 34 47 -10 Oldham 42 10 6 5 33 27 3 2 16 14 46 47 -26 Derby 42 9 5 7 26 26 2 4 15 10 46 42 -36 Swansea 42 7 4 10 20 28 0 4 17 16 57 29 -49 Cambridge U 42 4 7 10 20 33 0 5 16 8 44 24 -49 Keeping us up that season was a damn sight more of an achievement than keeping us up this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Keeping us up that season was a damn sight more of an achievement than keeping us up this season. If you say so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Keeping us up that season was a damn sight more of an achievement than keeping us up this season. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCMIKE Posted May 6, 2010 Author Share Posted May 6, 2010 Why? Look at the teams in that Division, then look at the ones in this. And it's a league hiigher, for a start. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Dave Penney would have turned it round, given us the best football we have ever seen, two trips to Wembley and a spell in the Prem? Honestly? The guy was a bad 'un. End of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 I stopped reading after there... Joe wouldn't have been sacked...would he? Final 1983/1984 English Division 2 (old) Table P HW HD HL HGF HGA AW AD AL AGF AGA Points GD Chelsea 42 15 4 2 55 17 10 9 2 35 23 88 +50 Sheff Wed 42 16 4 1 47 16 10 6 5 25 18 88 +38 Newcastle 42 16 2 3 51 18 8 6 7 34 35 80 +32 Man City 42 13 3 5 43 21 7 7 7 23 27 70 +18 Grimsby 42 13 6 2 36 15 6 7 8 24 32 70 +13 Blackburn 42 9 11 1 35 19 8 5 8 22 27 67 +11 Carlisle 42 10 9 2 29 13 6 7 8 19 28 64 +7 Shrewsbury 42 13 5 3 34 18 4 5 12 15 35 61 -4 Brighton 42 11 6 4 42 17 6 3 12 27 43 60 +9 Leeds 42 13 4 4 33 16 3 8 10 22 40 60 -1 Fulham 42 9 6 6 35 24 6 6 9 25 29 57 +7 Huddersfield 42 8 6 7 27 20 6 9 6 29 29 57 +7 Charlton 42 13 4 4 40 26 3 5 13 13 38 57 -11 Barnsley 42 9 6 6 33 23 6 1 14 24 30 52 +4 Cardiff 42 11 3 7 32 27 4 3 14 21 39 51 -13 Portsmouth 42 8 3 10 46 32 6 4 11 27 32 49 +9 Middlesbro 42 9 8 4 26 18 3 5 13 15 29 49 -6 C Palace 42 8 5 8 18 18 4 6 11 24 34 47 -10 Oldham 42 10 6 5 33 27 3 2 16 14 46 47 -26 Derby 42 9 5 7 26 26 2 4 15 10 46 42 -36 Swansea 42 7 4 10 20 28 0 4 17 16 57 29 -49 Cambridge U 42 4 7 10 20 33 0 5 16 8 44 24 -49 Ahem! JR's first season we finished 7th. 83/84 was his second season! 84/85 wasn't much better, 85/86 was similar to last season - 2nd in the league then a bloody awful run that saw us finish 8th or 9th I think. 86/87 Play Offs, but bloody awful after Christmas after being top for half the season. 87-88 woeful before Christmas (massive injury problems) recovered in a blaze of goals (and Frankie Bunn inspired) to finish 10th. 88/89 defensively awful, big injury probs, drew 22 games finished 16 but won 11 games all season - we know what came next... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 (edited) Look at the teams in that Division, then look at the ones in this. And it's a league hiigher, for a start. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Dave Penney would have turned it round, given us the best football we have ever seen, two trips to Wembley and a spell in the Prem? Honestly? The guy was a bad 'un. End of. Why, did you or anyone else for that matter predict that 'Rookie' Joe would after that 1st and 2nd season!!! NO!!!! We've had our time - our 'golden years' - trying to ask if any other manager could do that with us in todays financial market is utter naivety and stupidity imo - No body is ever going to do that with us again on the limited resources that JR had then FACT - Move on and get back to the realistic idea that we are lucky to be in this division this year and will be even more fortunate should we be in it next year - that way, your expectations, along with your disappointments will be severely decreased. Edited May 6, 2010 by futchers briefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Ahem! JR's first season we finished 7th. 83/84 was his second season! 84/85 wasn't much better, 85/86 was similar to last season - 2nd in the league then a bloody awful run that saw us finish 8th or 9th I think. 86/87 Play Offs, but bloody awful after Christmas after being top for half the season. 87-88 woeful before Christmas (massive injury problems) recovered in a blaze of goals (and Frankie Bunn inspired) to finish 10th. 88/89 defensively awful, big injury probs, drew 22 games finished 16 but won 11 games all season - we know what came next... I know it was. Even more reason our lot would've seen him sacked!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCMIKE Posted May 6, 2010 Author Share Posted May 6, 2010 Why, did you or anyone else for that matter predict that 'Rookie' Joe would after that 1st and 2nd season!!! NO!!!! We've had our time - our 'golden years' - trying to ask if any other manager could do that with us in todays financial market is utter naivety and stupidity imo - No body is ever going to do that with us again on the limited resources that JR had then FACT - Move on and get back to the realistic idea that we are lucky to be in this division this year and will be even more fortunate should we be in it next year - that way, your expectations, along with your disappointments will be severely decreased. Why,all of a sudden should those be our realistic expectations? A shot at the playoffs and a decent cup run shouldn't be too much to ask for. Nobody is going to do what Joe did for us again. Which makes trying to compare Penney to him even more ridiculous. A decent manager should be able to deliver a much better season than that utter, utter tosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 (edited) Why,all of a sudden should those be our realistic expectations? A shot at the playoffs and a decent cup run shouldn't be too much to ask for. Nobody is going to do what Joe did for us again. Which makes trying to compare Penney to him even more ridiculous. A decent manager should be able to deliver a much better season than that utter, utter tosh. So why did you then?? Anyway, I'm really interested to see which knight in shining armour is going to be clamouring to come to BP at this current time!! Who are your 'lower budget' suggestions Edited May 6, 2010 by futchers briefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie For England Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Look at the teams in that Division, then look at the ones in this. And it's a league hiigher, for a start. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Dave Penney would have turned it round, given us the best football we have ever seen, two trips to Wembley and a spell in the Prem? Honestly? The guy was a bad 'un. End of. Who knows what he would have done if he'd been given more of a chance? To judge a manager off just one season is ridiculous in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCMIKE Posted May 6, 2010 Author Share Posted May 6, 2010 So why did you then?? Anyway, I'm really interested to see which knight in shining armour is going to be clamouring to come to BP at this current time!! Who are your 'lower budget' suggestions I used him to illustrate that some managers can work well with small budgets. There's only one for me - Jim Gannon. If they could get Howe from Bournemouth that would be awesome, however, I doubt he would come. Out of interest - where did you see us, say, in December with Penney still in charge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Why,all of a sudden should those be our realistic expectations? A shot at the playoffs and a decent cup run shouldn't be too much to ask for. Nobody is going to do what Joe did for us again. Which makes trying to compare Penney to him even more ridiculous. A decent manager should be able to deliver a much better season than that utter, utter tosh. Compare JR's first 3 seasons with Penny, Shez and Moore. Based on what has happened to those 3 JR "should" have gone after his 2nd season. Everything that came afterwards would have been irrelevant if back then we'd had fans like we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slurms mckenzie Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Gannon wouldn't put up with any sh1t from the fans, or TTA for that matter. It would be his way or no way by all accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCMIKE Posted May 6, 2010 Author Share Posted May 6, 2010 Compare JR's first 3 seasons with Penny, Shez and Moore. Based on what has happened to those 3 JR "should" have gone after his 2nd season. Everything that came afterwards would have been irrelevant if back then we'd had fans like we have now. Honestly? I'd say most of our fans now would be happy at two years in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 I used him to illustrate that some managers can work well with small budgets. There's only one for me - Jim Gannon. If they could get Howe from Bournemouth that would be awesome, however, I doubt he would come. Out of interest - where did you see us, say, in December with Penney still in charge? Surviving! - I haven't been disappointed. Jim Gannon will prove to be as popular as a burnt bollock, if he's not given what he wants. Personally, don't want him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCMIKE Posted May 6, 2010 Author Share Posted May 6, 2010 Surviving! - I haven't been disappointed. Jim Gannon will prove to be as popular as a burnt bollock, if he's not given what he wants. Personally, don't want him here. I don't understand all these fears over Gannon. I don't care if he's as popular as a ginger-haired stepson, if he gets results crowds will rise. Surviving in front of 2,000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 I don't understand all these fears over Gannon. I don't care if he's as popular as a ginger-haired stepson, if he gets results crowds will rise. Surviving in front of 2,000? I completely agree - however given the unrealistic expectations of many of our fans, how long would they give any new guy before some of them start again?? What happened to 'time given to build your own squad', in the game - ala JR early 80's - though again, i totally understand owners' predicament given the season ticket sales expectations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Surviving! - I haven't been disappointed. Jim Gannon will prove to be as popular as a burnt bollock, if he's not given what he wants. Personally, don't want him here. Ouch!!!!.....I certainly don't have them and I certainly don't want to see them on show at BP, unless it causes our team to move faster and shoot more... OOOOOo tears in my eyes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futchers briefs Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Ouch!!!!.....I certainly don't have them and I certainly don't want to see them on show at BP, unless it causes our team to move faster and shoot more... OOOOOo tears in my eyes... It'd certainly make you do that!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCMIKE Posted May 6, 2010 Author Share Posted May 6, 2010 I completely agree - however given the unrealistic expectations of many of our fans, how long would they give any new guy before some of them start again?? What happened to 'time given to build your own squad', in the game - ala JR early 80's - though again, i totally understand owners' predicament given the season ticket sales expectations I think for all his faults Mr Penney may have lowered fans expectations to the benefit of his successor. After that nine months I'd be happy for a mid-table finish, as long as the football was easy to watch. All I want is for it not to be a chore any more and the people I go with feel the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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