Lookers_Carl Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Anyone think this could be a significant competitor to iPad? Runs modified version of android OS, designed as an ebook reader, but will also play music, video files and be able to surf net, will probably launch at under £150? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Anyone think this could be a significant competitor to iPad? Runs modified version of android OS, designed as an ebook reader, but will also play music, video files and be able to surf net, will probably launch at under £150? In a word, no. And I wouldn't bank on it launching at £150. The US prices appear to be far better than in the UK. Rumour has it that Amazon has rushed this out following a run of delays because they're planning to launch something much closer to a genuine competitor to iPad early next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 In a word, no. And I wouldn't bank on it launching at £150. The US prices appear to be far better than in the UK. Rumour has it that Amazon has rushed this out following a run of delays because they're planning to launch something much closer to a genuine competitor to iPad early next year. Following the Apple model then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Asked for a Kindle (normal) for my birthday this year. Had a go of my mates and was very impressed by it. Not really interested in a tablet - don't see where it would fit as the Phone is good enough for quick stuff and my Laptops are keyboards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Oh, and $200 usually equates to £200 in pricing terms, despite the exchange rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 As it stands today it won't be launching in the UK... As a piece of kits it's a cracker and I think it's going to sell VERY well.... The use of the cloud to allow the hardwear to be cheaper is a great idea. Look up Amazon Silk if you dont know what I am on about. Personally would want a 10" version... The iPad is far too expensive for most people. There is a huge Market to exploit at the £100 to £300 range and this nails it. Microsoft will also come in the Market around this level I think. The ball is now in Apple court. Will they buck the traditional trend and produce a budget version of the iPad for the masses or remain a nice rich mans fancy piece ? If they don't respond now I think they will lose this important Market. The only really difference I see between my iPad 2 and the Fire is a microphone, size and camera. It's a cracking device at a cracking price targeting the right market, I can't see it not doing well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 As it stands today it won't be launching in the UK... As a piece of kits it's a cracker and I think it's going to sell VERY well.... The use of the cloud to allow the hardwear to be cheaper is a great idea. Look up Amazon Silk if you dont know what I am on about. Personally would want a 10" version... The iPad is far too expensive for most people. There is a huge Market to exploit at the £100 to £300 range and this nails it. Microsoft will also come in the Market around this level I think. The ball is now in Apple court. Will they buck the traditional trend and produce a budget version of the iPad for the masses or remain a nice rich mans fancy piece ? If they don't respond now I think they will lose this important Market. The only really difference I see between my iPad 2 and the Fire is a microphone, size and camera. It's a cracking device at a cracking price targeting the right market, I can't see it not doing well.... Cloud computing = Ice in cider. It's all marketing horse:censored:. Computing has been centrally located for a decade or more. Hell, Citrix was founded in the 80's! This is just an evolution of that, not a ground breaking change in the way things are done. That said there is indeed a market to be made out of it and Amazon are all over that. That said that said, Amazon's cloud architecture is notorious for being absolute :censored:e, so they will need to improve on that for it to really kick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Cloud computing = Ice in cider. It's all marketing horse:censored:. Computing has been centrally located for a decade or more. Hell, Citrix was founded in the 80's! This is just an evolution of that, not a ground breaking change in the way things are done. That said there is indeed a market to be made out of it and Amazon are all over that. That said that said, Amazon's cloud architecture is notorious for being absolute :censored:e, so they will need to improve on that for it to really kick on. You are the first person I have ever heard criticise the Amazon cloud like that.... and my job is partly building commercial cloud solutions... Edited September 29, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) The "cloud" is a Big deal... It is the merging and harmonising of many services which already exist into one huge integrated Eco system... To dismiss it like you are doing is silly. It's currently allowing me to do things which where unthinkable five years ago, and at a tenth of the cost.... Edited September 29, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 The "cloud" is a Big deal... It is the merging and harmonising of many services which already exist into one huge integrated Eco system... To dismiss it like you are doing is silly. It's currently allowing me to do things which where unthinkable five years ago, and at a tenth of the cost.... Slightly off topic, but what are your thoughts on the new cloud gaming service 'onlive'. Think it will catch on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Asked for a Kindle (normal) for my birthday this year. Had a go of my mates and was very impressed by it. Not really interested in a tablet - don't see where it would fit as the Phone is good enough for quick stuff and my Laptops are keyboards. Same here. Was looking at the new model for 89 quid but think am going to go for the one with the keyboard for £109. Have the kindle app on my HTC at the mo so do have a few books already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 You are the first person I have ever heard criticise the Amazon cloud like that.... and my job is partly building commercial cloud solutions... Thats thrown me, for some reason I had u as a shop owner in Warrington???!!!!! I like the kindle but the only thing thats stopped me buying one is the lack of a backlight. I like reading in bed and use the kindle app on my laptop with the brightness turned down low enough so it doesn't disturb the other half. Good god that makes me sound like a right old fart!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Thats thrown me, for some reason I had u as a shop owner in Warrington???!!!!! I like the kindle but the only thing thats stopped me buying one is the lack of a backlight. I like reading in bed and use the kindle app on my laptop with the brightness turned down low enough so it doesn't disturb the other half. Good god that makes me sound like a right old fart!!! Currently my life is as a freelance developer to put it in simple terms... Like the flexibility now I have a family Edited September 29, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Slightly off topic, but what are your thoughts on the new cloud gaming service 'onlive'. Think it will catch on? Pretty cool stuff isn't it Soon you will be able to full on games on tablets running low spec hardwear ... Think there are some examples on youtube.. It's going to be massive in the future I think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Needs massive investment in the telecom infrastructure in this country though, not just for onlive, for everything. I too am cloud sceptic, much rather achieve same results with a local virtualisation infrastructure which can be scalled up and down as required, when you are reliant on networks outside of your own control you lose a lot of reliability and control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) It's the future... Not a good time to be in infrastructure :P It's a million times more reliable and scaleable than anything a local IT team can provide. In about 10 mins I can scale an app from one server to 200 balanced servers :P Anyone studying IT at the moment woild be week advised to avoid specialising in infrastructure... Ain't much money in it going forward, the good juicy stuff is going to be cloud provided... It's developer porn Edited September 29, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Amazon criticism comes from experience and online articles. However you're in the industry and don't know of issues so I'd suggest you know better than I. I wouldn't wrote of infrastructure just yet. I work for a bluechip supporting government and our infrastructure team is the only one not being trimmed. We're currently migrating hundreds of apps from unix to windows and will never be cloud based. Commercially it's very risky and I personally still wouldn't do it. Small to medium size business sure. But multinationals etc I wouldn't. Doesn't mean it's not the future tho. That I accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I know of issues people have had with various cloud infrastructures from time to time but nothing which warranted such a strong rebuke. But it's all opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Amazon criticism comes from experience and online articles. However you're in the industry and don't know of issues so I'd suggest you know better than I. I wouldn't wrote of infrastructure just yet. I work for a bluechip supporting government and our infrastructure team is the only one not being trimmed. We're currently migrating hundreds of apps from unix to windows and will never be cloud based. Commercially it's very risky and I personally still wouldn't do it. Small to medium size business sure. But multinationals etc I wouldn't. Doesn't mean it's not the future tho. That I accept. Fools!!! Another thought about "the cloud" - there are massive concerns about issues such as how the US Patriot Act" affects what can be done with your data/apps in datacentres running in the US or by US based companies. And this is just the start. You are basically outsourcing your infrastructure and whenever outsourcing is involved then things get messy. "That's not in the contract", "that costs extra", "that's not covered by the agreement"... The reason their tender was so low was because those corners were massively cut, the inhouse team or the other vendors priced it up at what it costs to provide the secure, scalable service with built in redundancy and high availability. Moving forward, that's enough buzz words for this time in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) Fools!!! Another thought about "the cloud" - there are massive concerns about issues such as how the US Patriot Act" affects what can be done with your data/apps in datacentres running in the US or by US based companies. And this is just the start. You are basically outsourcing your infrastructure and whenever outsourcing is involved then things get messy. "That's not in the contract", "that costs extra", "that's not covered by the agreement"... The reason their tender was so low was because those corners were massively cut, the inhouse team or the other vendors priced it up at what it costs to provide the secure, scalable service with built in redundancy and high availability. Moving forward, that's enough buzz words for this time in the morning. That was really an issue when the "cloud" first launched... Now in Microsoft Azure you can specify which region your data is stored. For example: Anywhere Asia Anywhere Europe Anywhere US North Central US North Europe South Central US Southeast Asia I deal a lot with the self preservation of infrastructure teams Edited September 30, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 It is my understanding that US owned companies are still subject to the patriot act regardless of where the data is stored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 It is my understanding that US owned companies are still subject to the patriot act regardless of where the data is stored. If your data is located in the EU then its is protected by every inch of European Law... If Microsoft, or any other company in the EU, allowed your data to leaked, without court order by a EU state then they will fall foul of the law.. Its as simple as that... MDs would go to jail. If you hand over your data to a EU company, it doesn't matter what "plumbing" they might have, they have a responsibility under EU law to protect your data. Do you know of any REAL cases where EU cloud data had been "stolen" by the US ? Its a honest question ? Every time I look into the results I come back is irrational fears and myths. The only cases I know of is where EU data was stored DIRECTLY on US servers either through the EU customer having no choice (aka not able to select region data is stored in) or where they have opted to just store on US servers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 and lets be frank... If the USA really wants your data they will get it... Via official or dirty means Anyway, I am off to shut down my Facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'm no tinfoil hatter and do use services such as dropbox fully aware that if the US Govt so wished they can access the data contained within it. At work we are waiting for a policy to be drafted regarding the use of dropbox and storing intellectual property therein. Some cloud services are not signatories of the Safe Harbour act and data regardless of where it is stored is subject to the Patriot Act as the company is a US one. Very grey areas here, whenever you let data outside of your own four walls you are opening yourself upto issues that do not exist if the data/services are housed internally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'm no tinfoil hatter and do use services such as dropbox fully aware that if the US Govt so wished they can access the data contained within it. At work we are waiting for a policy to be drafted regarding the use of dropbox and storing intellectual property therein. Some cloud services are not signatories of the Safe Harbour act and data regardless of where it is stored is subject to the Patriot Act as the company is a US one. Very grey areas here, whenever you let data outside of your own four walls you are opening yourself upto issues that do not exist if the data/services are housed internally. I agree in general with your last point... This needs to be weight up against the tremendous opportunities by utilising cloud technology... or more to the point, risking not doing and letting a competitor get that edge.. Anyway, neither of us are legal experts so lets agree to disagree to an extent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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