Scapegoat Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 After a period of 4 games in hiatus, we now have a semi-permenant manager in for the remaining 11 games of the season. There are plenty of thoughts on the rights and wrongs of that appointment on the other thread, but I thought it would be interesting to guage what people think is achieveable in his currently approved tenure period. The OS states that the play-offs are still an aim ("I firmly believe we have the capabilities of reaching the play-off places this season," said Holden) but many on here seem more concerned with the other end of the table. So what is a realistic ambition? We have failed to finish in the top half of the table for 5 years, scoring no more than 56 points. If we continue our seasons average points per game we would just scrape 60 points. The play-off positions (on the same basis of taking the average points per game of the current 5th and 6th teams) would see an all time low total getting you 6th spot from out time in this division with 68/69 good enough. Looking at the relegation postions and the same approach, 48 points is likely to be enough to stay up (which is the average over the last 18 years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Until it's mathematically impossible any manager and player should be striving to finish as high as they can, which at the moment is still top 6. I'd question whether certain players are but Holden certainly will be. He's got 11 games of football to play and should & will play his strongest side until there's nothing left to play for at which point some of the kids should be thrown in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishblue Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Top ten - it shows improvement and a solid base to work with and progress next season. However with the horrific injury list and the current free fall we seem to be in I would accept a finish between 12th -15th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 To win people over so Corney can give him the job long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 To win people over so Corney can give him the job long term. A different question - but I wonder what Deano has to do in the 11 games to get the majority of the fans wanting him to stay on? I'd guess finishing Top 10 from where we are now would create a number of people wanting him to have a full season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Playoffs do me a :censored:ing favour Dean !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I don't think he seriously meant "we can make the play-offs" He was saying that it was better to have the attitude of not giving up on them rather than a "season over" mediocrity mentality that could seriously land us in trouble. Ironically he is arguing against the 'no ambition' approach that many are hammering the club for...and then taking exactly the reverse stance in seemingly implying Holden should be saying "play-offs gone, season's over, we're just aiming for the two wins that should see us crawl over the line"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 A different question - but I wonder what Deano has to do in the 11 games to get the majority of the fans wanting him to stay on? I'd guess finishing Top 10 from where we are now would create a number of people wanting him to have a full season. No chance. Playoffs, maybe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I don't think he seriously meant "we can make the play-offs" But we can..............? It's unlikely, yes, but there's a lot of football to be played and allsorts that can happen. Not just to us but to the teams above us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics and England Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 He can't really come out at the moment and say he is aiming for anything short of the play-offs but I think we all know that has gone. Realistically I think a top ten finish would be a great achievement now for Dean. It would mean stopping the slide and then getting some consistent results. I don't for a moment think it would result in him getting the job permanantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 But we can..............? It's unlikely, yes, but there's a lot of football to be played and allsorts that can happen. Not just to us but to the teams above us. Barnsley are an example (sadly) of what a run can achieve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakerT Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 He he........ thought you were pushing it with top ten! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 A realstic aim is Top 10 in my view, of course, he should be aiming for top 6 until it is mathematically impossible. I am sure that is the case with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 A different question - but I wonder what Deano has to do in the 11 games to get the majority of the fans wanting him to stay on? I'd guess finishing Top 10 from where we are now would create a number of people wanting him to have a full season. I'd say PLay Offs, as that would be a great achievment. Top 10 a good achievement, but harder to justify keeping him on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I think a top 10 finish with the injury situation, bearing in mind he'll probably have to integrate another loan player or too, and a youth lad or two, and mould that into a cohesive team... Would go down as an impressive achievement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehobbit Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Keep us out of the drop zone and beat Dale finish higher than 15th ill be happy. I see this as a really risky move appointing Holden by those in charge. They seem to think we can't go down. Keep playing like we are and gifting teams goals and points and we can Holden has been dropped right in it. Lacks experience, Players will know he's on his way at end of season so possibly won't be fussed about playing for him. and we desperately need a home win to boost morale....With all of the first choice back line out..and a top scorer who isn't scoring Edited March 17, 2015 by bluehobbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakerT Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Keep us out of the drop zone and beat Dale finish higher than 15th ill be happy. I see this as a really risky move appointing Holden by those in charge. They seem to think we can't go down. Keep playing like we are and gifting teams goals and points and we can Holden has been dropped right in it. Lacks experience, Players will know he's on his way at end of season so possibly won't be fussed about playing for him. and we desperately need a home win to boost morale....With all of the first choice back line out..and a top scorer who isn't scoring Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 A lot of the players are contracted for next season so see no reason why they should be thinking of Ibiza or Vegas yet. This idea that form has suddenly fallen off a cliff since Johnson left is flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkay570 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 A lot of the players are contracted for next season so see no reason why they should be thinking of Ibiza or Vegas yet. This idea that form has suddenly fallen off a cliff since Johnson left is flawed. Half the team falling off a cliff would explain the injury list though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 We're clearly not safe yet. What's safe this year is anyone's guess, but I wouldn't mind it if we scraped it on goal difference. The problem is that we've been up there until very recently and everyone will find it difficult to change mindsets from possible-with-the-grace-of-God to we-need-to-fight-like-dogs. 12th and above is heaven and beats expectations. 13th would be great but meh. Below that would be "at least we survived". We're 10/1 to get relegated, so if you fancy taking the edge off the bitterness and anger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 We're clearly not safe yet. What's safe this year is anyone's guess, but I wouldn't mind it if we scraped it on goal difference. The problem is that we've been up there until very recently and everyone will find it difficult to change mindsets from possible-with-the-grace-of-God to we-need-to-fight-like-dogs. 12th and above is heaven and beats expectations. 13th would be great but meh. Below that would be "at least we survived". We're 10/1 to get relegated, so if you fancy taking the edge off the bitterness and anger... Latics are around 30/1 for relegation with most bookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Latics are around 30/1 for relegation with most bookies.Might be worth a tenner ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Might be worth a tenner I've already slapped a bet on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Richard Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I would think In a 'Big Break' fashion, 'just score as many points as you can' Would do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 A different question - but I wonder what Deano has to do in the 11 games to get the majority of the fans wanting him to stay on? I'd guess finishing Top 10 from where we are now would create a number of people wanting him to have a full season. Oldham to win the League One championship, FA Cup, The Grand National and London Marathon. That's the only way I'd be won over...nothing against Holden but an uninspiring appointment. Reminds me of Wolves appointing Terry O'Connor when Big Mick got the sack. Big names bandied about, talk of over a hundred credible and exciting candidates before that was all scratched and appointed from within by a coach who didnt think he would be a candidate full time and was just keeping the seat warm. A cheap option as Wolves knew they were doomed...we're not there yet but we've effectively thrown in the towel too...if the board can't be bothered, why should the fans?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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