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I don't quite get this admiration that some Oldham fans have for Hill at Dale. They are bottom of the league and have been relegated from lg1 on more than one occasion. If any Oldham manager past or present had his current record they would be baying for his blood.

The fee paid for a player? Yes (if you know it). A guess of what he might be earning elsewhere and how much we are paying of that? No. He's played something like 10 games in 2 years and had a bad injury? That and our current circumstances should be used to judge him. Could probably do better (same for every player) but getting better (same for every player)

He wouldn't be anywhere near us because if he was showing the same form he was in at Rovrum hed be playing in the championship. Not a lg1 relegation battle, I thought that would be obvious. Like I said I don't know what he's earning, I don't care, its irrelevant and nothing to do with his form which hasn't been bad anyway.

I have idea how much he earns? He has had a serious injury hasn't he which has restricted his playing time at Preston? He needs time to get up to speed and I don't think our pitch helps any of the midfielders. He has played 10 times from Preston in 2 years so what were you expecting? If he was showing the form he produced at Rotherham he wouldn't be anywhere near us loan or otherwise.

I'm sure that's supposed to be amusing, it isn't! don't be a dick! he obviously cant turn it left at times to see Gervaro...

Has Pringle disappointed? He may not have lived up to the hype from some Latics fans (does anyone?!) but he has been solid and his delivery from set pieces has been excellent at times.

By the end of his time here he had improved no end and earned a move but in his 1st 12 months or so here I thought he was cack!

I think he was quoting me Lags but Harry mistaking resentment with not rating ability?

like I say I've been right on more than 1 occasion as you are aware however some don't work out and on occasion im wrong. They are just opinions as I said. Burn hasn't lived up to the massive potential and talent, that's football. You don't captain that Boro youth renowned for producing youngsters without ability. Ill take your word for it that I said that as I don't recall but im glad you didn't take it personally and go searching out the information. feel better hun? I also didn't rate Grounds for a huge period here. hes done ok though.

Fair enough TheBigDog, I wish some on here wouldn't take my opinion so personally it just my opinion. Many seem to take offence when I tell them a player they tout for stardom is nothing more than average. Its just happens ive been right on more than 1 occasion ;) New Blue is still waiting for Holloway to hit his stride ready for his championship run...

Potentially another Tope who last season our fans loved but inevitably as always our fans are starting to turn on him because his end product is inconsistant at best...

I'll give him a few more weeks and hope he proves me wrong but for all the sarcastic comments on here aimed at me, my record on judging players on this board is pretty decent. I can't comment on last nights performance as I couldn't make it to BP.

You'd be the first! ? We'll see.

and like I alluded to, imo he will be exciting at times but very frustrating as Saturday will not happen every week. I hope it is but I very doubt it will be a difficult decision for Wellens. I watch the players overall game, positioning, runs they make and when, first touch, if they lift there head etc etc He scored 2 great goals which means most Latics fans are now blind to the rest of his game. Give em a few weeks to catch up. I hope he smashes 10 more but 10 minutes aside out of 3 games im cant see it yet.

I meant in the other 2.5 games where he did nothing and you know it? well done though you took it completely out of context and got the upboats for it which will make you happy im sure. I bet you cant tell me anything else he has done in 2.5 games which leaves 2 full games where he contributed little or nothing. Any other shots on target?

He scored 2 great individual goals in 1 half but has been largely ineffective otherwise. Lots of work is needed. Stats don't tell the full story.

He did that 1st half also when Byrne had no other option.

That's because he wasn't, Stephens was more of a playmaker for us and he certainly wasn't a box to box work horse like his current stats suggest However if you don't have the ball for 70% of the game you will do more running and as bad as we've been a times over the years we've always seen plenty of the football. Ian Marshall turned out to be a great striker however his striking of the ball could be erratic to say the least.

Ive read all over social media that this lad is going to be fantastic for us with many saying him and Doyle are going to be unstoppable. a fantastic performance yesterday in terms of 2 great goals but wants to run with the ball rather than without it. IMO he is a talented lad and given time he could be excellent for Wolves but for us I see someone who will be frustrating most of the time and other times he might 'do a Blackburn'. We need more consistency for the run in. I dont think he will be a good partner for Doyle as he likes to keep the ball and will need a foil like Davies to play off. I also don't think he works hard enough without the ball and the goals don't keep coming fans will turn. He doesn't run the wide channels which Byrne finds infuriating. He does head direct for goal which I love but that's not always an option. So what are peoples views of him? What's the forward line when Doyle returns

Holloway clapped the fans I saw it. Straight up fella or not he is mistaken.

I saw Holloway clap the fans on Saturday before being the first off the pitch. How long do you want him to stay on the pitch for Lags? Is there a prerequisite distance that he is supposed to walk before deciding the clap? what's acceptable to you? he was on the half way line where he acknowledged the fans before going probably doing getting an injury treated . Is 90 yards away to far to count as good fan acknowledgement or does he have to come and pat you on the fkn back for supporting the club? The funny thing is this resentment to Holloway has obviously built over a few week/months so you just know when he lost a ball or missed that chance he gave him a right slagging and then wants a well done for it

Yep, remember it very well.

Not sure if its been mention but Kevin Betsey scored an absolute rocket on his debut in 2-0 win.

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It didn't as Gerrard was yards away. From my angle yesterday is was very clear he stepped off his line for a cross & couldn't recover. His touch took it over the line.