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Seen as though a lot on here are adament that this is all Lee Johnson's fault, tell me who do you replace him with? He does care of course he does and he is trying to get it right, obviously at the moment that isn't working but he is effectively playing for his managerial career, who will take a chance on him if all he has is relegation on his cv in one full season in charge? Be very careful what you wish for, as much as we are in trouble and we look tired, lacklustre and no confidence i'd rather have a manager like Johnson than somebody like penney or talbot. We have 10 games to try and save our season, saturday is massive so please get behind both Johnson and the lads at Crewe, i'm sure you all will (due to amount of alcohol consumed) Would like to hear and see your thoughts on who you would replace him with though, realistic targets though

So, Corney goes then what? Who would want to buy Oldham. Without Corney Oldham Athletic wouldn't exist anymore and at least he has stuck around, seeing his money go to waste effectively but certainly not sold Oldham Athletic down the river and nor would I want him to! Bring Koukash in people say? Yeah because he has a clear interest in investing in Oldham Athletic and making Oldham a fantastic team with a bit of cash, NEVER was that his plan and Corney saw that and told him to do one. Be very careful what you wish for because if Corney goes then we are in deep :censored:, so just keep that in mind. This isn't me saying that I think Corney is fantastic because I don't but i respect him for sticking about and keeping the club going and also coming in the first place after the Moore fiasco so I don't really know what you expect

Yeah because worrall is like ronaldo and jch is world class who finishes every chance he is give....oh wait! Come on for gods sake they're hardly the two you look at and go they are by far our best players. As much as I think Worrall is quite creative we can do without him and as for JCH he is a threat but never has he been prolific so doesn't change that much in my opinion so I think in my opinion that your statement is pretty ridiculous but each to their own

Yes maybe which emphasises my point of it wasn't a lack of effort, ability maybe but not effort. and yes we are having the same conversations and something will eventually give but a lot of people go on about how bad LJ is (not saying yourself) but I don't see him that bad. If you get rid of him who do you bring in?

Did mean Turner but if Bove does a head high tackle on Evans then he gets my vote too

I know we have only seen 3 minutes or so of him and I don't watch the youth team because I play football myself however off the very little I saw he raced around for a couple of minutes, committed a couple of desperation challenges ultimately giving away a free kick and then a god awful tackle on the Notts County full back which certainly warranted a red card. Compare that to the first 3 minutes I saw Turner play on Saturday, he came on and immediately won the first 3 headers against a half decent centre back of Tom Clarke, Turner not being tall himself but timed his jump to perfection. I know which one i'd prefer, i'd play him tonight and see what he can do

And this wasn't one, we severely lacked quality in the MK game, no doubt about it and MK are quite a good footballing side and I still stick by that we were dreadful but not lack of effort because if it was the scoreline wouldn't have been anywhere close to 2-1

yes I did and the first half I thought was dire, however I honestly don't believe it was lack of effort. Reason being I don't think our players are good enough to only lose 2-1 if they cannot be arsed. Our players if they went out with a lack of effort wouldn't have the ability to keep the game to a tight scoreline, we'd get hammered 4 or 5 - 0. Yes we were awful but no lack of effort

We know the town of Oldham is dreadful when it comes to supporting the club but the supporters that actually do go might as well give it their own and really get behind the players, whether they are good, bad or indifferent. I would agree with booing and slating the players if it was lack of effort but I honestly don't think it is lack of effort anywhere in the club, I think Corney (as 'tight fisted' as he may be) actually has Oldham Athletic's best interests at heart, LJ is trying desperately hard to get results, albeit not being that successful at present and I think the players are giving it their all, again albeit not being to much effect. I agree with some of the points you have made, yeah some dire home performances but in some we have won the games, Gillingham and Stevenage etc and yes the crows have dipped below 3,000 but I think that is because of the league position if i'm being honest not the football. If we lost games when playing well and exciting football, floating fans wouldn't come because results aren't going in our favour. The 17 years is a fact but I don't understand how much of a rise you expect from the last few seasons to this season, it has disappointed this season because we saw at the start of the season what the side was capable of. Another good cup run brings in money to keep the club above water, tough financial times for business' and we seem to be doing okay at the moment, we can't invest largely into the squad, not many league one teams can and on the budget johnson was given i'd say he brought in plenty of good signings, it sadly didn't work out. As for the 'giving the best players away' a couple of things, clauses in contracts may well have been met meaning the players had to be sold, a team like Oldham can't turn down substantial (we may not see it as that with valuations of modern day footballers) amounts of money for players and also why keep players that want to jump ship and move to another club? I'm certainly not a happy clapper, I do criticise the players in conversations with my dad or friends but as much as I can't see too much progress I don't think it is as bad as some people paint it

Work in legal so I had a bit of time on my hands so thought i'd do my overview of the season, sadly not haha

What songs would you prefer to be sung? There's only so much like I said you can sing of come on oldham, flying high and oh when the blues and I never said you did, just want a little support and encouragement for the guys who really try to give it a go. Those songs are used to try and bode the opposition, fair enough it didn't work, partly because there were only about 10 that they were singing to but it's trying to get a reaction which builds up a bigger atmosphere

I agree about the fan however I disagree with what you say about the players lacking passion, it's not passion at all, it's lack of confidence, frustration and in some cases lack of ability but by no means is it lack of passion

I've got a young persons season ticket at latics but I know on the day price we don't have a price for students. I'm drinking from 10am so can't really get a 12-16 ticket as i'll smell of beer getting in as a kid. Might just take the hit

Yeah didn't realise how long it was haha, it's called not having much work on and needing something to do to make it look like i'm doing something!

Please do just my overview on the season so far and yes the Unsworth is the bit near Whitefield

I know the season hasn't deliverd everything that it looked like doing at the start of the season. As I was coaching in the USA I missed the Stevenage and Peterborough away games and also the Walsall, Port Vale and Derby County home games. I was led to believe off both commentary and my dad who went to all of them that we were brilliant going forward against Stevenage and slightly suspect in defence as Mellor played centre back (never a centre back) I also heard we played well at London Road but lost the game and heard Walsall played very well at Latics and deserved to win, Derby were the better side once getting to grips with the pace of the game (showing their championship quality) and heard we hammered Port Vale! This all being before I returned the Sunday after Port Vale, I was expecting fast flowing football, my first game back happened to be tranmere and we were robbed at BP by a very dubious penalty and cynical tactics used as usual by Tranmere. I then went to Shrewsbury in the JPT where we were excellent and then PNE on the monday where we hammered Preston and one fluke goal and one powderpuff challenge by Wes saw us go 2-0 down but it was great the way we played. That hasn't materialised and sadly I don't think Johnson has found a settled team, constant switching of strikers in particular. As much as this doesn't help the strikers individually it SHOULD provide each one to nail down a place in the team by scoring and really impressing given half the chance and none of our strikers have done that. At the start of the season I'm sure most will agree you look at the Rooney signing and say that's the best striker you could get for league one, proven goalscorer and looks like he could fire us up into a playoff shout. You then look at Clarke-Harris, young lad, wanting to prove himself in football, played well against us for Bury last year and scored a few in a Bury team in turmoil, again another good signing. Then you look at Macdonald, scores goals when he is fit, keeping him fit is the big key but again plenty of goals across the three strikers. In pre season also we had Sid, who apparently looked like a proper winger, gets the ball to feet, looks to take on a man and fire it into the box, a variaton of crosses, drilled, floated, under hit and overhit on occasions, same with Dayton with Korey providing energy and Wes being a machine, winning the bits and pieces in midfield to start attacks up again and regain possession. All that said and i haven't even mentioned Montano, who scored for fun in pre season too and again keeping him fit looked the only issue. We were all really excited, a promising talent in Tarky at centre back, just needed a partner, Grounds, generally a solid left back and connor brown, a young, enthusiastic right back who looks to provide pace and energy when given the chance. Go to the keeper and it's a premier league loan keeper. I haven't even mentioned Baxter because we all knew deep down he was going to leave before the end of August Anybody disagree? The way it has turned out: 1) Rooney couldn't get firing, was given a few games on the bounce, here and there but still couldn't score 2) JCH hasn't improved as much as I and many oldham fans would have hoped but still provides a threat and a prescence, just not prolific in front of goal 3) Macdonald has struggled with injuries but has scored a few 4) Montano was done on a betting scandal so made his position untenable at the club 5) Sidney didn't settle, proved by him now returning to his family in Holland 6) Dayton struggled with injuries 7) Korey has been a consistant 7/10 but nothing spectacular 8) Tarkowski had to be sold in January so therefore needed replacing 9) we have a goalkeeper who makes too many basic errors, good at shot stopping generally but decision making is poor 10) We haven't had much luck on or off the pitch, referee decisions against us, signings getting injured or suspended, present players having offers Oldham had to take So how much of that can you blame on LJ: Not that much I believe, he can't be made responsible for poor decision making by players, can try to work on them in training but ultimately down to the players to learn from their mistakes. He isn't to blame for Montano or Sidney's situations, nor is he to blame for rooney not firing so he had to go, better for both parties, frees up a wage and let's rooney try and find his form elsewhere. LJ also isn't to blame for players having to be sold and yes they had to be sold, for the day to day running of the club and for the reason that if we don't take offered fees that are in the region of six figure sums then these players will eventually be allowed to leave on a free transfer and also be unsettled and de-motivated at the fact we wouldn't sell them to a higher club where they could earn a lot more money and play a higher level of football. What questions can be asked to LJ: Why did you panic too early and start chopping and changing as much as you have? Why have you allowed things that should stay behind close doors out in the media, twitter etc? Why sign all these players on short term contracts? Why have we not kept playing the same way that we did at the start of the season? Each one of these can be answered, he panicked because managers panic due to pressure of it being a results business and he didn't know what his best 11 was so wanted to give everybody a fair crack of the whip and nobody has nailed down their place in the team, bar a couple of exceptions. He allowed things to come out in the media as this is inexperience from a young manager, two/three interviews a week, questions forced at him, needs to learn how to answer with disclosing too much information. We signed players on short term contracts because he could see what was happening with Sid, not settling so to offer Kusunga and Lanzoni longer contracts may turn into being a mistake, as it turned out it wasn't however LJ wasn't to know, by which time Lanzoni was going to go. We haven't played the same way because we weren't picking up results playing fast flowing football, all very pleasing but again with it being a results based business he felt he couldn't carry on losing games playing the right way, who can blame him? The players LJ has brought in on the whole haven't been bad in my opinion: Kusunga - good signing Lanzoni - good signing worrall - good signing Harkins - Fantastic Mills - good signing dunfield - terrible kissock - not seen him turner - not seen him plummer - should have been good but woeful lockwood - on the whole solid wilson - promising youngster stead - very much like rooney, should have been better but wasn't Rusnak - wasn't interested so had to go On the whole they in my opinion have been okay. We're sat 16th in the league albeit the position is false because of only being 3 points off the bottom four, however it's a position two places higher than it has been for the last couple of seasons and I do believe we'll survive. It all depends what you want, football is a vicious cycle and tough for coaches and managers, expectations are set from fans and chairman, that builds pressure, expectations of players aren't met like we have seen, confidence goes, you start losing games and it's tough to pick yourself up from some defeats All in all as bad as some performances have been, we have had quality this season on ocassion and if you choose to get rid of Johnson who do you get in? Surely if you get rid of him you're being like him, chopping and changing until you get instant success? It doesn't work, give him a couple of years and see what he can do, we have to rebuild in the summer but please get behind him because support is key and with him being a young manager, he will make mistakes, tactics will be wrong, subs will be wrong but he is trying to do what is best and acting upon what he is seeing so support him the last 12 games and really get behind the lads, home and away and hope the positivity wears off on the players. This is ALL opinion based so please feel free to shoot me down but let's all get a sense of reality, we've had issues in the squad this season, betting, settling, transfers, injuries and suspensions as usual but we're 16th in the league and have a chance to finish the season securely in mid table, all that on top of yet another Liverpool FA Cup game, what more realistically with the budget we have do you expect from Johnson and Oldham Athletic?

I remember Oldham (especially the chaddy end) singing this during the Palmer days whenever there was an oldham corner, generally after the standard chant of 'come on oldham' so regardless of whether there are black players in the box on the corner I sing it in my head and then if it is sung I then join in. I don't sing it to be racist, I'm not racist and I never would be, however I think the 'race card' is over used. People are saying that singing 'ooohh roger palmer' song is racist because we sing it whenever there is a black person, it's hardly insulting the person directly which is what racism is and racism only gets out of hand if taken offensively by the race being discriminated. This song I believe has no racism behind it at all and that doesn't make me racist wanting to sing a song about a fantastic player during the glory days

No doubting it tom, what's that song you put on fb about the 'til we build our fourth stand, til we build our fourth stand?'

People sing those types of songs to create banter. The oldham fans singing it know very well Oldham's home attendance is poor but it's sung to get a bite off the other teams' supporters to try and increase the atmosphere. If you don't like the atmosphere that the guys try to provide to help cheer the team on either just don't join in with the songs or sit in a library (to be honest after some of the home performances, this wouldn't be a bad idea) but most of the songs are pro Oldham but there is only so much of 'come on oldham' and 'oh when the blues' you can sing in 90 minutes before it gets boring and repetitive

It's a £9.50 off peak day return. A lot are on the 11:55 from manchester piccadilly. Gutted there are no student prices or prices from 17-21 though!