oafc0000 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Bollocks Yeah because their is loads of evidence knocking around to suggest otherwise Edited April 30, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 IIRC we both said at the time that the decision to sack Shez was the wrong one, though I stand to be corrected on your point of view. I wouldn't say it was impossible to do it...we effectively had a mini nine game season to finish above Tranmere and Scunthorpe. It was a tall order, but it was never impossible. His target was to do it, and he believed he could. He didn't. He's made the best of the bad situation, yes, but it was the on-pitch failure that presented that particular scenario. I cant think of one manager to ever pull something like that off... It a different senior completly to keeping a side up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I cant think of one manager to ever pull something like that off... It a different senior completly to keeping a side up... I can't think of any one club daft enough to sack their manager with nine games to go when they've just dropped out of the playoffs for the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfOAFC Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 IIRC we both said at the time that the decision to sack Shez was the wrong one, although I wasn't calling for his head I thought it was the right decision. in hindsight I think we might have made the playoffs or would definately have been a lot closer if we'd given him til the end of the season. i was ecstatic with us getting JR back - it didn't work. regardless I'm glad we've got owners who had the balls to make that throw of the dice to try and get us up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedOwl Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I can't think of any one club daft enough to sack their manager with nine games to go when they've just dropped out of the playoffs for the first time. Shez was sacked and Royle was brought in to stop the slide. Royle didn't stop the slide. Anyone could have come in and got rid of the dead wood. The other coaching staff could have done that. It was a nice idea but didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I can't think of any one club daft enough to sack their manager with nine games to go when they've just dropped out of the playoffs for the first time. Also true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Look at the results from this side since the end of November, thats three and a half whole sorry months of John Sheridan. Where this side was sliding outta the top six in a never ending slide. It's nowt to do with Joe Royle that. He was brought in as a last gasp effort to halt that long slide, it couldn't be turned around. The club was in turmoil from one player's balls up to another from unprofessionalism that had deep seated roots. The club had increased it's budget considerably chasing promotion due to our lofty position, more so than the club initially wanted to do. But the gamble was taken on in the vain attempt to get up. Once that slide continued and Joe quite rightly told TTA that elements within the camp were a cancer the club choose to cut it's losses and Joe was the man to do it. As for Joe wanted the job long term listen to his last interview on Latics World. The clue is in there. When asked had he ever considered taking the job full time his answer was clear. He came in to help out for 9 games however, had he won his first 6 and on such events decisions change. He went on to drop the pearler. I quote "had someone come in and said lets have a right go" then maybe. Was that man Wardle? I would hazzard a guess and said yes. It doesn't mean Joe turns his back cos purely the cash wasn't there in bundles, it means at his age to build slowly isn't the right time in his career, it's a younger mans game that. It needs a younger man to spend time at 3 reserve games a week and non league too as well as Latics matches. Like he had done first time around. Joe as done this club an untold amount of good in a very short time. Edited April 30, 2009 by Lags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 But that just assumes that the run of form would have continued. It may have, it may not have. We don't know. I, and several others said at the time, it was a bollocks decision by a bunch of people in charge who bottled it. It was never going to end pretty once that was done. But Royles reign II was frankly :censored:e. To say he has done untold good, that would have been done at the end of the season anyway is inconsequential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 But that just assumes that the run of form would have continued. It may have, it may not have. We don't know. I, and several others said at the time, it was a bollocks decision by a bunch of people in charge who bottled it. It was never going to end pretty once that was done. But Royles reign II was frankly :censored:e. To say he has done untold good, that would have been done at the end of the season anyway is inconsequential. ok. My thoughts are on record, likewise yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) But that just assumes that the run of form would have continued. It may have, it may not have. We don't know. There was genuinely nothing to suggest it was going to end. The players looked like losers and the manager looked clueless. Retaining Sheridan meant not making the play-offs. I, and several others said at the time, it was a bollocks decision by a bunch of people in charge who bottled it. I wish they'd been braver and done it sooner. I think they took the decision at what looked like the best time to do it. They bottled nothing. It was never going to end pretty once that was done. The fact that the players simply couldn't lift themselves once a new manager came in said it all. The rot was too deep set to recover from. But Royles reign II was frankly :censored:e. On the pitch it's pretty hard to argue. They looked like they were still playing for Sheridan. To say he has done untold good, that would have been done at the end of the season anyway is inconsequential. He did what needed doing to give a new manager a clear run at things. That gives us a start in the transfer window to secure the best we can get. I prefer that to sacking Sheridan this weekend, spending a month finding a new manager who then settles in to a new role, stuck with existing players he doesn't really want and unable to get the best available talent because it's no longer available. Edited April 30, 2009 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 There was genuinely nothing to suggest it was going to end. The players looked like losers and the manager looked clueless. Retaining Sheridan meant not making the play-offs. I wish they'd been braver and done it sooner. I think they took the decision at what looked like the best time to do it. They bottled nothing. The fact that the players simply couldn't lift themselves once a new manager came in said it all. The rot was too deep set to recover from. On the pitch it's pretty hard to argue. They looked like they were still playing for Sheridan. He did what needed doing to give a new manager a clear run at things. That gives us a start in the transfer window to secure the best we can get. I prefer that to sacking Sheridan this weekend, spending a month finding a new manager who then settles in to a new role, stuck with existing players he doesn't really want and unable to get the best available talent because it's no longer available. Fairy Nuff. That's how two people can read a situation differently. As mentioned earlier, it's done now. Onward and (hopefully) upward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) First off, no need for the abusive comment. Secondly, I can'tthink anyoner thinks it is Royle's fault. I think some are thinking Sheridan should have been given the opportunity to see things through, one way or another. Thirdly, tell him to support United? Why not eat his children? Edited May 1, 2009 by Lookers_Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefield-oldham Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 First off, no need for the abusive comment. Secondly, I can'tthink anyoner thinks it is Royle's fault. I think some are thinking Sheridan should have been given the opportunity to see things through, one way or another. Thirdly, tell him to support United? Why not eat his children? what you on about....hes openly admitted the whole season was ruined because royle didnt get us in play offs...that bloke has done more for this club than any other bloke ever and to publicly slag him off like he has,,,,,well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 The title of the thread should have been. How good were the players in the 2nd half of the season? :censored:e/bottlers/half arsed/pathetic etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 what you on about....hes openly admitted the whole season was ruined because royle didnt get us in play offs...that bloke has done more for this club than any other bloke ever and to publicly slag him off like he has,,,,,well A very selective reading. What he has said is that it was a crap decision to sack Sheridan and that Royle hasn't done what we wanted him to do. He's not wrong. Is it Royle's fault? I'd say "No", but after the slaughtering OAFFC00000000000000000000000001 has received I think I'll refrain from saying who's fault it is too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Why has this thread slumped into calling someone offensive names? Because they have a difference of opinion? Pull yourselves together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 moderated So stating a bunch of facts and then suggesting that Joe isn't the future is reason enough to just go to basic schoolyard namecalling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefield-oldham Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Absolute rubbish. I'm sorry, he's done a good job of 'clearing the decks', but he's completely failed on the football side of things. The playoffs were not long gone, we were one point off. there it is in black and white......completely failed...... what about sheridan,,,why doesnt he say sheridan completely failed by not getting us in the play offs when it looked odds on we would be there....joe was brought in to stop a sinking ship,,unfortunatly the ship had already sunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytrap Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Royle had a bleeding mountain to climb!! It was a gamble that didn't pay off. He's even more of a legend for that in my eyes because he loved the club enough to try and get them out of this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 there it is in black and white......completely failed...... what about sheridan,,,why doesnt he say sheridan completely failed by not getting us in the play offs when it looked odds on we would be there....joe was brought in to stop a sinking ship,,unfortunatly the ship had already sunk Ah. Different question. Did Sheridan fail? I would say yes. Fail to the point of being sacked near the end of the season? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefield-oldham Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Ah. Different question. Did Sheridan fail? I would say yes. Fail to the point of being sacked near the end of the season? No. the damage had been done the club was in turmoil tta at wits end didnt know which way to turn he had to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) the damage had been done the club was in turmoil tta at wits end didnt know which way to turn he had to go Was it all Sheridans fault ? I dont think for a second it was... Yet he paid the price.... Current problems didnt go away when Joe joined the club... Tells me a lot that... Did Shez even bring the two biggest trouble causers to the club ? I know he didnt bring in Hughes... Who brought in Windass ?? Also when you read some of the stuff suggested on here....aka club officals covering up acts which could of led to Hughes going back to prision...if true ( and I have no idea if the claim made was true or not) this would say the problems run deeper... Edited May 1, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefield-oldham Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 if tta didnt sack him and let him run out the season and finish with 4 less points than we have already imo..,i think they would have had thousands bangin the door down asking why didnt they get rid of him earlier if you was serious about getting promotion..not even houdini would have got us promoted this season with this set of terds playing for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 if tta didnt sack him and let him run out the season and finish with 4 less points than we have already imo..,i think they would have had thousands bangin the door down asking why didnt they get rid of him earlier if you was serious about getting promotion..not even houdini would have got us promoted this season with this set of terds playing for us If your getting rid you doing it in Jan or you do it in May... Not with nine games to go.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 What was Sheridan's fault? The drinking culture -Yes. The standard of player - No (due to money) Signing of current players - Unkown, but I believe yes. Results - Yes, but they were alright when he was there. TTA/fans bottling it - No. It was a bit of both. He wasn't faultless, but to say the decision in my eyes to sack him was wrong is an understatement (as people may have gathered). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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