leeslover Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 the trouble is....with down bottom of broadway....would it be a simple football stadium....or would it be the cash making self sufficient development they wanted at the bp site. The way I see it is that the land in Failsworth would be exceptionally cheap at the moment, given that nobody would particularly fancy living in a house there and business isn't booming, whereas in 5 years the land at BP might be valuable for housing again. Mr Blitz lends himself £20m for those 5 years and benefits from the difference in the land prices over the time difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebuckley06 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 would jus prefer them to carry on with the plans for the bp site. how long did it take for us to get plannin permission there? if we decide to change to a different site we would have all that rigmarole again an with the way the council treat us might not even get another lot of planning permision. the only way i wud be happy movin to ferny field would be if it genuinly is the better option for the club as a hole and would provide us with more cash to put into the club and make it self sufficent and provide a gud profit to be reinvested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share Posted July 5, 2009 The way I see it is that the land in Failsworth would be exceptionally cheap at the moment, given that nobody would particularly fancy living in a house there and business isn't booming, whereas in 5 years the land at BP might be valuable for housing again. Mr Blitz lends himself £20m for those 5 years and benefits from the difference in the land prices over the time difference. so in other words you dont know then.lol the current bp plan was for housing and conferencing and banquitting etc etc.... failsworth or the back end of the site backs onto housing and runs parralell with the train lines.... i cant see us being allowed to develop that into a self sufficient site that brings cash in constantly,just because of its location....so unless there is a massive reduction in land prices i cant see there being much benefit,other than a new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaticsfan Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 You are right about the Sholver one, that would be great, but wasnt it supposed to be a golf course? yes it was and as i have heard it was supposed to be completed in 2002, but there has been no movement there for years, but the potential there is huge, a stadium, plenty of parking spaces, no neighbours, could even put something like an arcade there as they have at reebok stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 so in other words you dont know then.lol the current bp plan was for housing and conferencing and banquitting etc etc.... failsworth or the back end of the site backs onto housing and runs parralell with the train lines.... i cant see us being allowed to develop that into a self sufficient site that brings cash in constantly,just because of its location....so unless there is a massive reduction in land prices i cant see there being much benefit,other than a new stadium. The crucial point you are missing Ed is that the land that BP is on would still exist if we built a ground somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share Posted July 5, 2009 The crucial point you are missing Ed is that the land that BP is on would still exist if we built a ground somewhere else. oh yes i know it would,unless they have already done a deal with the nhs....its no secret that the hospital is being lined up for a massive programme of building work....they are already building a cancer unit....and have heard that a few other specialised things are to be built.... another good site is salmon fields...only partially in use.no residential area as such and not a million miles away plus has an ol postcode..... its all food for thought....nobody knows how far down the line tta;s are with current plans....so until its made official its pure speculation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Listen to the man. He has already had to cope with a nephew moving to Croydon and starting supporting the Stripey Nigels. I've been to a few games, sure. Please don't tar me with their brush, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I've been to a few games, sure. Please don't tar me with their brush, though. How come you actually cried when Dougie left then? You are Colin's bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 makes me laff how all these :censored:tty little clubs get to build there stadium and we have to wait like 10 years and still nothing oldham council are so unhelpfull and slooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww If I said that, there'd be a gaggle of critics snapping at my heels telling me how, in reality, we're a smaller club than Oxford United. Or whoever. And therefore don't deserve anything apart from garbage on the field and off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie_Dugger Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Maybe but he's only said it ONCE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Maybe but he's only said it ONCE. See what I mean? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share Posted July 5, 2009 See what I mean? . but in reallity we are a :censored:ty little club,in a :censored:ty league....but we live in hope and have blind faith and a lot of ambition even when we had the cup runs and the premier league days with full houses every game and queues outside...we were still little oldham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 but in reallity we are a :censored:ty little club,in a :censored:ty league....but we live in hope and have blind faith and a lot of ambition even when we had the cup runs and the premier league days with full houses every game and queues outside...we were still little oldham So? Clubs from similar towns were miles behind us back then and have now left us behind forever in both football terms and those of facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 One advantage of the ground being at the bottom of broadway is that it will be much more accessible via public transport. At the moment you can get to the ground using the 24, 181 and 182 bus service, and its about a 15-20 min walk from both mills hill and derker station? At the bottom of broadway, whilst it will still be accessible from the24, 181 and 182 bus routes, add to that the 82 and 83 which are both frequent services every 10 mins or better. Plus, with the upcoming metrolink conversion, I would imagine the new line will be all of 5 mins walk from what is currently failsworth trainstation, and what will shortly be failsworth metro stop, which will again be providing frequent services between oldham and manchester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share Posted July 5, 2009 So? Clubs from similar towns were miles behind us back then and have now left us behind forever in both football terms and those of facilities. depends have similar clubs to us had to go through the same operating conditions as we have.... or have these similar clubs managed to somehow increase there popularity by buying better players by having a wealthy backer or 2??? we have,in my eyes the best owners we have ever had...and im pretty sure that in the not to distant future,they will get there rewards with the club being in a higher division with better players and better attendancies.there just doing it at a more sedate rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share Posted July 5, 2009 One advantage of the ground being at the bottom of broadway is that it will be much more accessible via public transport. At the moment you can get to the ground using the 24, 181 and 182 bus service, and its about a 15-20 min walk from both mills hill and derker station? At the bottom of broadway, whilst it will still be accessible from the24, 181 and 182 bus routes, add to that the 82 and 83 which are both frequent services every 10 mins or better. Plus, with the upcoming metrolink conversion, I would imagine the new line will be all of 5 mins walk from what is currently failsworth trainstation, and what will shortly be failsworth metro stop, which will again be providing frequent services between oldham and manchester. dont forget the 409 from ashton and rochdale,and its only a 10 minute walk from werneth station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slurms mckenzie Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Virtually every club who has moved to a new stadium sees its attendancies rocket (Hull, Huddersfield, Wigan, Bolton all spring to mind). For me, moving would be a better option that BP every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 depends have similar clubs to us had to go through the same operating conditions as we have.... or have these similar clubs managed to somehow increase there popularity by buying better players by having a wealthy backer or 2??? we have,in my eyes the best owners we have ever had...and im pretty sure that in the not to distant future,they will get there rewards with the club being in a higher division with better players and better attendancies.there just doing it at a more sedate rate. So sedate that it looks like it will never happen. Now that's pretty sedate. 'have similar clubs to us had to go through the same operating conditions as we have....' Don't know what you mean here. We all have to play the same clubs to get to where they have, don't we? Of the other small town Lancashire clubs who are above us, I can only think of Blackburn who did it on the basis of having a particularly wealthy backer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prendy_1984 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Surely Wigan have also benefitted from their wealthy backer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Surely Wigan have also benefitted from their wealthy backer Forgot about that jumped up Cheshire League outfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share Posted July 5, 2009 So sedate that it looks like it will never happen. Now that's pretty sedate. 'have similar clubs to us had to go through the same operating conditions as we have....' Don't know what you mean here. We all have to play the same clubs to get to where they have, don't we? Of the other small town Lancashire clubs who are above us, I can only think of Blackburn who did it on the basis of having a particularly wealthy backer. you havent got a clue what goes on in the background....you are not privvy to the day to day situations that occur inside a club... planning and drawing up plans etc etc and submitting applications of this magnitude take time money and a lot of patience....you cant say on monday..ok were gonna buy some land over there n build a new stadium..then expect it done by the end of the month can you... is in operating criterea..forget the day to day running etc..im talking about has any other similar club been through administration??? and had to cope with those kind of constrates etc etc.... the one thing the other so called similar lancashire clubs have that we done have is a good fan base...we are not well supported anymore. we may well have failed to capitalise on our previous sucesses...but that isnt the current owners fault...but i know if and when they do eventually say enough is enough,we will be better for having had them here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellysheroes Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 The way I see it is that the land in Failsworth would be exceptionally cheap at the moment, given that nobody would particularly fancy living in a house there and business isn't booming, whereas in 5 years the land at BP might be valuable for housing again. Mr Blitz lends himself £20m for those 5 years and benefits from the difference in the land prices over the time difference. WTF are you on about i live in failsworth. why wouldnt you fancy living in a house there?? pr*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 you havent got a clue what goes on in the background....you are not privvy to the day to day situations that occur inside a club... planning and drawing up plans etc etc and submitting applications of this magnitude take time money and a lot of patience....you cant say on monday..ok were gonna buy some land over there n build a new stadium..then expect it done by the end of the month can you... is in operating criterea..forget the day to day running etc..im talking about has any other similar club been through administration??? and had to cope with those kind of constrates etc etc.... the one thing the other so called similar lancashire clubs have that we done have is a good fan base...we are not well supported anymore. we may well have failed to capitalise on our previous sucesses...but that isnt the current owners fault...but i know if and when they do eventually say enough is enough,we will be better for having had them here. I have never claimed to have any idea what goes on within the club. Like most supporters. In fact, I have said so more than once. I have also made the obvious point, however, that you don't need to know what goes on inside the club to understand what's happening. Apart from that, what are you going on about? Have I said that you can instantly build a stadium? Or that anything is the current owners' fault? The 'constraints' you speak of amount to so many excuses when you consider where the likes of Bolton, Preston or Burnley were whe we hit the big-time, but the biggest excuse of all is the one that continually dwells on our supposed lack of a fanbase. A fanbase has to be built. In the PL days we had a growing fanbase that much of the football league could only look upon with envy. Failure to capitalise on that may prove, in the long run, to be the biggest nail in the club's coffin. It's impossible to say whether we will be glad that TTA were here when they finally deaprt, as it depends what state the club is in when they go. Despite their welcome and very generous subisiding of the club, we have stood still as a club during their tenure, and we are a long, long way off schedule regarding the promises of promotion and a new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellysheroes Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 One advantage of the ground being at the bottom of broadway is that it will be much more accessible via public transport. At the moment you can get to the ground using the 24, 181 and 182 bus service, and its about a 15-20 min walk from both mills hill and derker station? At the bottom of broadway, whilst it will still be accessible from the24, 181 and 182 bus routes, add to that the 82 and 83 which are both frequent services every 10 mins or better. Plus, with the upcoming metrolink conversion, I would imagine the new line will be all of 5 mins walk from what is currently failsworth trainstation, and what will shortly be failsworth metro stop, which will again be providing frequent services between oldham and manchester. hollinwood train station Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 WTF are you on about i live in failsworth. why wouldnt you fancy living in a house there?? pr*** Too many plastic ManUre fans for a start. 'You just can't get a ticket these days.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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