johnny punkster Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Am I the only one who doesn't fundamentally care what the new stadium looks like? I'll just roll up to it pissed and watch the game, possibly having a pie at some stage. To read these pages I'm wondering if far too many people spend their time watching TV shows with some drippy bird showing people how to redesign their houses. wrong thread andy! http://www.owtb.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=24558 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) I agree transparency would help greatlyand be welcome. But, I think people are getting confused here. The land itself is not worth £60m, and we are not simply writing that off. Even if we were, the average price has dropped 25-30% anyway since so that £60m would only be worth £45m now at best. However, peopela re forgetting to include build costs. As an example: Building.co.uk has the typical construction costs examples for a high rise building ( don't forget we had several planned., I think it 4 so that is what I have done it on. Also it has estimated contraction costs for a busines park that BP would part form. So our high rise buildings are approx £10m to build A busines park is £6m That is shell building, nothing in the actual buildings High rise build costs approx.: High Rise building costs Business park Business park costs So on basic shell constrcuion, no fit out we re looking at £16m of the £45m. It is easy to see that a lot of that will be swallowed by over runs, contingency, fit outs etc. And the £60m was at selling price, not cost price. I think a lot of people fears and lack of understanding are basically that, fear and lack of understanding. Of course we don't know how this works with selling BP and building a new stadium in Failsworth, perhaps if we did, we would all be making millions. I don't know the exact reasons why they are doing this but I can think of a few scenarios as I have been involved in one the of the biggest capital building programmes in Manchester in recent times (though not my specialism). One thing for sure is, there are many ways to skin a cat. This reminds me of when I used to work in the civil service and the union were negotiating a 3 year paydeal with my employers. When the document came out, there wer people complaining about this and that. Though when I read the document, I found that everyone would be better off. It turned out most people had assumed that they were going to be worse off and let fear get the better of them. That's even when there is transparent document available stating clearly that this wasn't the case. I'm not saying that people are wrong to fear why TTA are doing this, but I do think its not going to do anyone any good, if they fear only for fears sake. Edited July 27, 2009 by jimsleftfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellysheroes Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 if you love oldham you will watch them anywhere in oldham/manchester.. i live in failsworth and have come upto oldham every other weekend to watch oldham and never complained about it so whats the difference in me coming to oldham than you coming to failsworth....??? is it that you have to travel abit further than me... i ant siad out for 15years so why are people complaining about this, no one is never happy in oldham we are getting a new stadium 12000 or move i dont care just as long as we can build on it... its a new stadium new start and its in a place/town where people like football not cricket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 if you love oldham you will watch them anywhere in oldham/manchester.. i live in failsworth and have come upto oldham every other weekend to watch oldham and never complained about it so whats the difference in me coming to oldham than you coming to failsworth....??? is it that you have to travel abit further than me... i ant siad out for 15years so why are people complaining about this, no one is never happy in oldham we are getting a new stadium 12000 or move i dont care just as long as we can build on it... its a new stadium new start and its in a place/town where people like football not cricket if you love oldham,you will ask questions as to this huge probable moment in our history before being fully convinced. lap it up like a little puppy if you want..some aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellysheroes Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 if you love oldham,you will ask questions as to this huge probable moment in our history before being fully convinced. lap it up like a little puppy if you want..some aren't. i know its a massive moment but im just putting my opinion across that if you love oldham you should watch them anywhere so moving 4miles down the road wont make a difference right ok ill put it this way ...oldham are playing say leeds people in failsworth might say oh ill watch that game lets go and watch it its not that far only 5mins walk, theres is more intersest in football in failsworth than there is in and around BP.. due to the asian community and BP not being as nice as a new ground would be... now that would put more people the the turnstilies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Regardless of where the stadium is and what it will look like, the underlying concern is a doubt about the future viability of the Club, as we all know gate money is insufficient and likely to continue to be so at the proposed site. TTA intended the redevelopment of BP to raise non-football income all year round to ensure the Club's viability. Is this still their intention at the proposed site in the Failsworth part of Oldham? We need to know to allay our fears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Regardless of where the stadium is and what it will look like, the underlying concern is a doubt about the future viability of the Club, as we all know gate money is insufficient and likely to continue to be so at the proposed site. TTA intended the redevelopment of BP to raise non-football income all year round to ensure the Club's viability. Is this still their intention at the proposed site in the Failsworth part of Oldham? We need to know to allay our fears. thanks DS ,along the line of what i was going to post for reply to kellysheroes. the future after the move is more important than the move itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticNik Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 If Darlington and Rotherham hadn't had points deducted Shrewsbury would have finished ninth in Div 4 last season. Whoopy do, is that what we're aiming for. They actually finished seventh in their last season at Gay Meadow and lost in the play off final, so it's not quite as rosy as you're painting it Yeah of course Ste, that's exactly what I mean. If we move into a new stadium our attendances and results will be identical to those of Shrewsbury. Why wouldn't they be? E4e MIROR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Yeah of course Ste, that's exactly what I mean. If we move into a new stadium our attendances and results will be identical to those of Shrewsbury. Why wouldn't they be? E4e MIROR But Rotherham and Darlo haven't had points deducted this year. Ergo, we will finish worse than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyGermanLatic Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) This post has literally just said my feelings for the new scheme. I disagree with all my heart and support for Oldham. If Boundary Park goes, I go. EDIT: However, we´ll see how things go... Edited July 27, 2009 by GuyGermanLatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLegend Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 This post has literally just said my feelings for the new scheme. I disagree with all my heart and support for Oldham. If Boundary Park goes, I go. What a load of tosh. You think we're better as a club to stay at BP? and you'll stop supporting YOUR club if we move? There's 1001 reasons why the move is the best for the club written by people on this board. I can't even be arsed to explain. Be a real fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyGermanLatic Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 What a load of tosh. You think we're better as a club to stay at BP? and you'll stop supporting YOUR club if we move? There's 1001 reasons why the move is the best for the club written by people on this board. I can't even be arsed to explain. Be a real fan! So it´s ok to throw away BP is it? Do you really think things will be the same. This is OBVIOUSLY not been taken into full consideration. Once BP´s gone I think fans will see then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 So it´s ok to throw away BP is it? Do you really think things will be the same. This is OBVIOUSLY not been taken into full consideration. Once BP´s gone I think fans will see then. But what are we exactly losing? Cold weather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Born in Oldham Live in Warrington Have lived in Macclesfield Worked in Manchester, Birkenhead, Bury, Birchwood, Macclesfield, London Things change... The club moving a couple of miles south really isn't that big of a deal... Its still "Oldham" Athletic... Its not like we are moving it to the centre of Manchester, Rochdale, Bury etc etc Its arguable on the outskirts of Manchester... Right on the Boundary really no matter which map or time period you look at. Edited July 27, 2009 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Potential...but not in a 12,000 stadium...potential being significantly higher than that... Absolutely electric...at the Reebok? Never heard it called that once...infact, heard many slagging off the dire atmosphere but for the odd few games a season. Sjoke...lol...Wigscum had exactly the same in Prem Season 1...any club in the land would. Wigscums pretty quite nowadays tho. Sjoke will be too soon. Probably when they go down next season. End of the day...wherever it is, I'll be there. Just don't buy that it's the answer, don't understand why it's now and not 3yrs ago if Failsworth was viable (not what was said back then), I don't think we've heard half the truth and don't trust a lot of the players involved. And I certainly don't like Corney's playing on fear/emotional blackmail bull:censored: either...groundshare, OAFC is dying...ya never said that before the buzz word "redevelop!" was exchanged to "Failsworth!" If that's not enough reason to be concerned as to how the future of OAFC goes...then...well...I should stop caring! I won't though and won't be having others tell me I shouldn't be concerned. Why??? Coz thats exactly what people were saying in Summer 2001 when a certain someone walked into BP!!! People say Oldham's stuck in a rut...damn right...not learning from past mistakes is definitely one of them!!! The atmosphere at the Reebok can feel eary when its quiet a game but when its full it sounds fantastic trust me Ive been on many occasions. I can fully understand why people are apprhensive about this its a big step and we have had plenty of false dawns in the past 15 years regarding stadium and other things. That is why as I said in a previous thread last week their should be a public fans forum where TTA can come out and explain the figures the location the capacity and other things. Their was an excellent post the other week from Bucks Blue calling for transparency from TTA and the council. It will allay alot of fans fears over what is going on. As far as the stadium design goes I'm not to fussed its not like I go to league 1 football ground for the architecture. Just aslong as the seat is fine their are some facilities at HT for a pint/pie and it can create an atmosphere. While I think the ideal capacity for a club like ourselves is 15000 to start with with a view to go up if needed this isn't my biggest concerns. My 2 concerns are: 1. That it makes the club significantly more money than BP currently is and 2. It actually goes through and we are all sat in our new stadium and this is not yet another false dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyGermanLatic Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 But what are we exactly losing? Cold weather? I cannot believe this. You´re actually saying what are we losing... Wear a thicker coat then if need be! I can imagine it´s around 1 or 2°c Colder in MANCHESTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I can imagine it´s around 1 or 2°c Colder in MANCHESTER. You would be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyGermanLatic Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 You would be wrong... Well... Wear a thicker coat or thermal socks, I seriously can´t imagine how you can complain about that, I would actually miss the cold weather! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well... Wear a thicker coat or thermal socks, I seriously can´t imagine how you can complain about that, I would actually miss the cold weather! Imagine people not missing cold weather. Shock of the century! I find it amusing how someone who nails the colours of another team next to his home town which is thousands of miles away is upset about moving the club a couple of miles south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Couldn't agree look we all know the alternative carry on in this decaying stadium and the club does to. I will like to add the case of stoke city to that of the reebok stadium a stadium built in Horwich since going there they have become established premier league side and while it isn't all down to moving ground it has helped them fulfill their potential and arguably punch above their weight with improved facilities which make them money on a day to day basis through the hotel they have. Plus The atmosphere when the place is full is absolutely electric the accoustics are phenomenal, Think a full rocky road end stretching all the way round the ground then multiply it by 2. Yes-but Bolton's was a ground designed to accommodate Premier League football. A 12000 seater ground (less than half the size of Bolton's in a similar town) is a ground devised by people who no longer believe that OAFC will ever be anything other than a lower division club. Why is 12000 suddenly enough seats when only a week or two ago it was deemed that we need 16000? Why is 12000 enough when we still managed to fill BP to capacity, or thereabouts, on occasion (pre the demolition ot the Looker's)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 My point is there very little at BP that we will miss, it's a place without any sort of character and crying because we once won some big games thereover 20 years ago means very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Why is 12000 suddenly enough seats when only a week or two ago it was deemed that we need 16000? Out of all the questions you repeat this is the one that really puzzles me and one that no one can offer a decent answer too. Why weren't people moaning when we was planning on building 16,000 seater ghost town first time around and claiming it was a waste of money? Edited July 27, 2009 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 My point is there very little at BP that we will miss, it's a place without any sort of character and crying because we once won some big games thereover 20 years ago means very little. I have to agree... Will remember it fondly for those moment but time to move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Yes-but Bolton's was a ground designed to accommodate Premier League football. A 12000 seater ground (less than half the size of Bolton's in a similar town) is a ground devised by people who no longer believe that OAFC will ever be anything other than a lower division club. Why is 12000 suddenly enough seats when only a week or two ago it was deemed that we need 16000? Why is 12000 enough when we still managed to fill BP to capacity, or thereabouts, on occasion (pre the demolition ot the Looker's)? That's a fair point. I can't believe nobody mentioned it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 That's a fair point. I can't believe nobody mentioned it before. It has been asked a couple of times but its easily lost behind the blinkered hero worshipping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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