oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would strongly suggest someone asks about ownership and where profits will be going from the external revenue generators. Not just the stadium, but the whole development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Cool. Cheers Ric. I will be there if I can, but am in Feltham tomorrow morning, and may need to stay darn sarf if I get the meeting agreed that I need to do in Chessington. Got my car in for a service tomorrow and meetings all day too....... but I should just be able to get from Whitefield to Chaddy in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardlelatic Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would strongly suggest someone asks about ownership and where profits will be going from the external revenue generators. Not just the stadium, but the whole development. Cant anyone answer that one right now ???? Surely any profit would go to the person(s) funding the project ??? Surely the question should be: If TTA decide to move on would they be only wanting to sell the club and a rental agreement for the stadium or sell everything together as a going concern???? The revenue made in such a new stadium would be vastly more than that made at Bp, would the club be able to use this revenue stream or would this be part of a pension plan for someones future ?? If you buy a window cleaning round you dont just buy the bucket and ladder you buy the customers as well !!! I personally need to be happy that if TTA move on and sell the club, OAFC will be sold with a new stadium and revenue stream not just the club badge and history !! OAFC and its history is only worth the revenue it creates and the bottom line profit it is budgeted for ! Without the revenue stream it is worthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) Cant anyone answer that one right now ???? Surely any profit would go to the person(s) funding the project ??? Surely the question should be: If TTA decide to move on would they be only wanting to sell the club and a rental agreement for the stadium or sell everything together as a going concern???? The revenue made in such a new stadium would be vastly more than that made at Bp, would the club be able to use this revenue stream or would this be part of a pension plan for someones future ?? If you buy a window cleaning round you dont just buy the bucket and ladder you buy the customers as well !!! I personally need to be happy that if TTA move on and sell the club, OAFC will be sold with a new stadium and revenue stream not just the club badge and history !! OAFC and its history is only worth the revenue it creates and the bottom line profit it is budgeted for ! Without the revenue stream it is worthless I will expand... One of the major reasons for moving to Failsworth is to see the club become "self sufficient", or as close as possible. Corney was asked at the last meeting, "Who will own the Stadium". Coreny apparently replied "OAFC 2004 will own the Stadium". A logical question to follow on from that is "Who will own the rest of the development". My fear is, Latics will find themselves in Failsworth owning just the stadium and everything within that stadium. The external facilities such as 3G pitches or anything else that may be in proposal will in fact might be owned by other parties (TTA or otherwise) and Latics will never see a penny from the profit from those things. The question is about what will OAFC own and what wont they own within the new development. Only then can we fairly judge if this new proposal will see us self sufficient. I can very much see the new stadium having a conference facility and maybe some rental offices and a club shop. And that will be our lot. I could be wrong, I could be right... I want to be told I am wrong... Regarding answering my question... I thought the idea was to get it from Corney and co and stop all the presumptions ? I know you have the best of intentions but I want them to answer these points and not us lot... We dont really know do we... Edited December 8, 2009 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardlelatic Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I will expand... One of the major reasons for moving to Failsworth is to see the club become "self sufficient", or as close as possible. Corney was asked at the last meeting, "Who will own the Stadium". Coreny apparently replied "OAFC 2004 will own the Stadium". A logical question to follow on from that is "Who will own the rest of the development". My fear is, Latics will find themselves in Failsworth owning just the stadium and everything within that stadium. The external facilities such as 3G pitches or anything else that may be in proposal will in fact might be owned by other parties (TTA or otherwise) and Latics will never see a penny from the profit from those things. The question is about what will OAFC own and what wont they own within the new development. Only then can we fairly judge if this new proposal will see us self sufficient. I can very much see the new stadium having a conference facility and maybe some rental offices and a club shop. And that will be our lot. I could be wrong, I could be right... I want to be told I am wrong... Regarding answering my question... I thought the idea was to get it from Corney and co and stop all the presumptions ? Your questions answer was obvious, like you I was expanding it to ask the deeper routed questions We dont much ... but I know .... Sorry was singing there ... The frustration of many is not knowing what is happening and this meeting will not answer all questions as I believe not all questions about the project have been answered themselves ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would strongly suggest someone asks about ownership and where profits will be going from the external revenue generators. Not just the stadium, but the whole development. Maybe the thread you started last week should have been kept private is some way as now TTA will have read the questions to be posed and will have answers to a certain degree, perhaps not the ones wanted but enough......still hopefully there will be some questions that people have that haven't been put on here and will remain that way, the element of suprise etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Your questions answer was obvious Was it really obvious ? So you know exactly where revenue from things external to the stadium will be going and who will actually own them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Maybe the thread you started last week should have been kept private is some way as now TTA will have read the questions to be posed and will have answers to a certain degree, perhaps not the ones wanted but enough......still hopefully there will be some questions that people have that haven't been put on here and will remain that way, the element of suprise etc I think the element of surprise is good at time... but I do not really see a problem with them preparing a detailed answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardlelatic Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would strongly suggest someone asks about ownership and where profits will be going from the external revenue generators. Not just the stadium, but the whole development. Was it really obvious ? So you know exactly where revenue from things external to the stadium will be going and who will actually own them ? profits generated in any project would go to the company or persons running the project - in our case this could mean that the profits go back into the team or are used by the company or persons running the project for other means. You asked where the profits of this would go, I stated it would go back to the TTA ... I wanted to expand that by asking if TTA sold the club would the profits the new project make be part of any club sale ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) profits generated in any project would go to the company or persons running the project - in our case this could mean that the profits go back into the team or are used by the company or persons running the project for other means. You asked where the profits of this would go, I stated it would go back to the TTA ... I wanted to expand that by asking if TTA sold the club would the profits the new project make be part of any club sale ? It is fine to "expand" or add to ... But you said the answer was obvious when it clearly is not... otherwise the "or" bit would of not been there Its not JUST about what happens if TTA sell... Its about what happens before they sell as well... From where I am sat, the company that own the ground and land at the moment may well hold big chuncks of development down in Failsworth and Latics stand to be in no better position than they currently are. That is my fear. I think there are about three or four questions here from both of us, all of them valid.... One question dose not replace that other. For me this is the biggest issue of them all... Who owns what... My support for the project hangs on this more than most other things... If everything goes back to TTA then whats the point in the move ? We are just gaining some nice conference facilities...and reduced maintenance costs... Edited December 8, 2009 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardlelatic Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 It is fine to "expand" or add to ... But you said the answer was obvious when it clearly is not... otherwise the "or" bit would of not been there Its not JUST about what happens if TTA sell... Its about what happens before they sell as well... From where I am sat, the company that own the ground and land at the moment may well hold big chuncks of development down in Failsworth and Latics stand to be in no better position than they currently are. That is my fear. I think there are about three or four questions here from both of us, all of them valid.... One question dose not replace that other. For me this is the biggest issue of them all... Who owns what... My support for the project hangs on this more than most other things... The obvious was the answer TTA - the only persons able to say what they do with any revenue would be themselves I guess Another question would be who would the council be leasing the alottment land too ? Oldham Athletic 2004 ltd or the company holding the ownership of the land at Bp?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) the only persons able to say what they do with any revenue would be themselves I guess Yup... If Latics do not see anything from the external ventures then really all we get out of the move is a new Stadium. Is that enough ? I think many Latics fans think we will be building extra things, we will own them or we will at least profit from them. It may not be true... The question of ownership and who profits is a very important question which needs answering properly from the horses mouth. Without the answer to that question I can not support the project. You could build hotels, cinemas, casinos... But unless we own them...or see something from it... Its worthless to us (aka fans / club) Stadium plus conference facilities... Is that enough ? (at the moment it may be the very real situation) Edited December 8, 2009 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) There will be a lot of people in this position. A would say the majority of Latics fans base will have work / family commitments on Wednesday night. A low turn out will be perceived as people not caring. The reality is something much different. I wanted to come but from the moment it was announced I knew getting there on Wednesday night would pretty dam hard. If I want it the wife is happy to let me go to Latics on Saturday. Other days of the week have other commitments including work. I will be at the Theatre on Wednesday night with the wife in London after a day of meetings. Going watching Les Miserable, should be fun. Will be logging on to hopefully find someone has minuted the meeting. I thought for a moment then you meant the current Latics team. Edited December 8, 2009 by BP1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outoftheblue Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Whilst I agree that putting someone on the spot and guaging their reaction is the best way to determine validity in their reply, there are a great many of us who simply cannot attend due to work/family/health/distance restrictions or commitments. Yes, we would all love to be there, and if that were possible, the club would be in the embarrassing position of having to lock 3000 people out of the forum. Instead, why not devote 3 hours to answering questions on this, the clubs official webforum? We know SC and AH (Alledgedly under another poster's pseudonym) view these boards, so why can't they set aside some time to allay people's fears by answering questions directly via OWTB? With a team of mods at hand to delete the offensive, repetetive or unnecessary questions, surely it is possible? We are being told of Skype links, debates at School theatres and community centres etc, but rarely do we see anyone of significance (Despite what some may believe of themselves) posting replies to the questions and rumours on the official threads for the benefit of those who organise their week around OAFC enough, without having to attend forums paying lipservice to the few with a little more time on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc88 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 How is this being marketed elsewhere? there's here obviously, but how about the chron? local radio? hopefully theres a big reminder in tonights and tommorrow nights editions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) Who is Latics Vice President Chaim Beniaker and will he be at the meeting ?... I can't find any background on him at all. Edited December 8, 2009 by BP1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I'm going. It's fairly typical though, people are quick to critisise and make doom and gloom predictions, but when an opportunity comes along to go and put their concerns and critisisms to the club they can't be bothered. It is a case of not being bothered-it's a case of the major decisions already having been made. Asking a question or having a gripe isn't going to change this even slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 The difference is made by the people asking the questions, some may undertsnad more some may swing from the move to staying at Bp. We've already been told many times over that we can't stay at BP. They've already begun the process of selling the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 It is a case of not being bothered-it's a case of the major decisions already having been made. Asking a question or having a gripe isn't going to change this even slightly. You may well be right Corporal. BUT the questions are still important. We need to find out what they are planning on doing (if possible). Then we can decide what we want to do about it (if anything). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardlelatic Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Who is Latics Vice President Chaim (BEN) Beniaker and will he be at the meeting ?... I can't find any background on him at all. IIRC he is a friend of TTA and given the position when Barry Chaytow left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 there is no power to the people gesture in any shape or form The question and answers may not change what is going to happen, but it may change peoples opinion in why it is happening or in some quarters needed to happen. Indeed there isn't. Hasn't it already been explained in some detail why the club thinks Failsworth is the only option? Leading to the only possible conclusion: that the club has fallen so far behind over the last fifteen years, and (in no small part aided by the council) has made such a hash of attempts to move or redevelop stadiums, that the only option is to downscale and move out of the club's heartland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 IIRC he is a friend of TTA and given the position when Barry Chaytow left Skeletor was last seen browsing the Christmas Markets in Manchester, two weeks ago. I so wanted to ask him if he had got his consortium together yet....that's why TTA politely gave him his £50k back and asked him to 'do-one' wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I will expand... One of the major reasons for moving to Failsworth is to see the club become "self sufficient", or as close as possible. Corney was asked at the last meeting, "Who will own the Stadium". Coreny apparently replied "OAFC 2004 will own the Stadium". A logical question to follow on from that is "Who will own the rest of the development". My fear is, Latics will find themselves in Failsworth owning just the stadium and everything within that stadium. The external facilities such as 3G pitches or anything else that may be in proposal will in fact might be owned by other parties (TTA or otherwise) and Latics will never see a penny from the profit from those things. The question is about what will OAFC own and what wont they own within the new development. Only then can we fairly judge if this new proposal will see us self sufficient. I can very much see the new stadium having a conference facility and maybe some rental offices and a club shop. And that will be our lot. I could be wrong, I could be right... I want to be told I am wrong... Regarding answering my question... I thought the idea was to get it from Corney and co and stop all the presumptions ? I know you have the best of intentions but I want them to answer these points and not us lot... We dont really know do we... You keep beating this drum but I don't understand the grounds your fear is based on. Why would TTA go to the trouble/expense of building a stadium facility devoid of non-matchday revenue streams for a football club they have determined needs these additional revenue streams to be viable? It would be self-defeating and not in any party's interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) You keep beating this drum And I will continue until these simple questions are answered... I would of thought you would of been interested in hearing responses to such questions... but I don't understand the grounds your fear is based on. Really ? I mean, you cant even take a guess? Why would TTA go to the trouble/expense of building a stadium facility devoid of non-matchday revenue streams for a football club they have determined needs these additional revenue streams to be viable? It would be self-defeating and not in any party's interest. Why in deed... Hopefully my questions will have a simple and positive answer. Edited December 8, 2009 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 And I will continue until these simple questions are answered... I would of thought you would of been interested in hearing responses to such questions... Not particularly. I think the answer is obvious as it is in the interest of all parties that the club owns both the ground and the facilities. Really ? I mean, you cant even take a guess? I can do better than guess, I know why you're concerned. You fear that TTA will retain ownership of these facilities for themselves, thus preventing Latics becoming 'self-sustainable'. What you seemingly fail to appreciate is that this would leave TTA with ownership of a loss-making football club which they themselves have publically dubbed non-viable. Who's going to buy such a club off them at the price they would ask following spending £15M-£20M of their own money on a new stadium for this non-viable club? In short, the statium and facitilites will be owned by the club and and (hopefully) sold for millions as OAFC(2004) Ltd. This is where TTA hope to recoup their money. They aren't in it for ownership of some football pitches and banqueting facilities. So, stop worrying 0000's, Stitch has enlightened you. Why in deed... Hopefully my questions will have a simple and positive answer. See above, ignore, and keep on beating the drum regardless.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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