leeslover Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 I am thinking anyone of around school age before the 1980s would probably be true to the statement " privilege beyond the average working class family?" although the use of the word "beyond" is probably too strong. The mindset of a working class lad (or girl) rarely thought about going to University. I will give Thatcher one tick in the box and their was something good came from her time and it was the change of the mindset in the working class to "better themselves" which lead to people seeking to go to University and it started something of tidal wave in education. The example of your parents is a rare one. The chances of a working class person hitting the level where they could get a Uni place was reasonably rare for many political, financial, economical and social reasons. I was the first year to pay tuition fees (1998) and the thought of paying them and going into the debt I would have to get into scared me. £12k to £20k of debt is scary to a working class lad. It is now going to be more like £30k to £50k of debt. I can see that scaring a lot of working class people off. Today's approach to funding education isn't my real concern as its only a mindset barrier at the moment. It is the path we are now walking down and the real danger of literally pricing out the working class from Uni in the future when it becomes totally unregulated and funded via private loans. The numbers going to Uni is probably too high and the courses not offering enough value. The solution isn't to price out the working class/ I think you are probably right that people from less well off families might be more likely to be scared of debt - I suppose if you have seen your parents talking about mortgages and so on vs talking about getting to the end of the week then you could well be more easy about it, but that is a bit of a generalisation. Anyway, there is no reason why an equally able poor kid can't make as much of his or herself throuh a degree as their better off counterpart - lots of "middle class" kids earning jack :censored: after Uni. Oh for the days when my dad was able to go to the same school as kids of the same ability regardless of wealth - he passed his 11 plus and was probably destined for Uni from that day on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 You seem to really dislike people protesting... why ? Pain in the arse for innocent people innit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Pain in the arse for innocent people innit. No such thing as a innocent people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 No such thing as a innocent people... Are you suggesting that the people working down Oxford Road that weren't allowed to leave their place of work are part of the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Are you suggesting that the people working down Oxford Road that weren't allowed to leave their place of work are part of the problem? Your either part of the problem or the solution... I can't speak for all those people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Considering the number of hospitals on Oxford Road, I can imagine that emergency vehicles were held up/diverted. That hold up/diversion may have cost lives. (I know that perhaps I'm being over dramatic but imagine if it was your relative in the back of an ambulance that was caught up) Since a lot of the universities involved are in close proximity to a hospital I can see the situation being repeated in other cities. If anyone was affected in such a way, are they not innocent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 If there are no innocents, doesn't it give the police at least some grounds to go in and give the students the long handle treatment? The guilty smelly bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Considering the number of hospitals on Oxford Road, I can imagine that emergency vehicles were held up/diverted. That hold up/diversion may have cost lives. (I know that perhaps I'm being over dramatic but imagine if it was your relative in the back of an ambulance that was caught up) Since a lot of the universities involved are in close proximity to a hospital I can see the situation being repeated in other cities. If anyone was affected in such a way, are they not innocent? Dear lord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 If there are no innocents, doesn't it give the police at least some grounds to go in and give the students the long handle treatment? The guilty smelly bastards. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Dear lord I really don't get you, or your sarcasm (like most people's) doesn't come across well on the interweb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 I really don't get you, or your sarcasm (like most people's) doesn't come across well on the interweb I don't get you... Ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 They're the idiots who all voted Lib Dem. Chanting shame on you for turning blue. Who uses the phrase 'shame on you' that isn't a stuck up posh nerk? I wish someone would just set Cameron and Clegg on fire! I might go down with some lemons. Reminds me of Paris. I had to read this about 4 times before i got it! Thought it was a haiku at first........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 University education is a priveledge not a right and its about high time people realised this. Indeed. Lets send the poor back down the mines and have done with it. PipPip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 About 12 are occupying a lecture theatre at Manchester, been informed they can stay there at the back but lectures will go ahead as per schedule. Interesting tactic, bore them out! Either that or they may learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 About 12 are occupying a lecture theatre at Manchester, been informed they can stay there at the back but lectures will go ahead as per schedule. Interesting tactic, bore them out! Either that or they may learn something. LMAO... Surely locking the doors might of made more of statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Lock them in through Countdown. That'll teach 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Indeed. Lets send the poor back down the mines and have done with it. PipPip. You really missed my point, there are a lot of things that everyone in this country gets for free which are far more worthwhile than cheap university education. The benefit of university education is not universal, why should 86 year old Mrs. Smith of the Kirkholt loose money of her pension simply so the parents of Henrietta Fanshaw-Smythe who went to Roedean and is doing history of art at Durham don't pay £6000 a year more for their child's university education which she isn't going to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) You really missed my point, there are a lot of things that everyone in this country gets for free which are far more worthwhile than cheap university education. The benefit of university education is not universal, why should 86 year old Mrs. Smith of the Kirkholt loose money of her pension simply so the parents of Henrietta Fanshaw-Smythe who went to Roedean and is doing history of art at Durham don't pay £6000 a year more for their child's university education which she isn't going to use. Mrs Smith needs Henrietta's future taxes to support her sorry arse... While everyone is jumping on Uni education saying it dosen't lead to jobs etc etc.. The reality is the majority of people who go to University benefit from it and this country benefits from it. Your attempt at separating pensioners and students is as silly as your usual comments. Its all interlinked... Edited November 25, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 People should only be allowed to go to University if they're studying for a profession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 People should only be allowed to go to University if they're studying for a profession. Nah, who knows what they want to do for the rest of their life when they are 18? Never mind that there is no saying that you will get a job in whatever you study at the end of it, the world of work is just to varied and specialised these days. I am all for letting people who aren't academically gifted do courses that have no practical purpose or career-enhancing properties, but they can pay for it themselves same as if a school leaver decided to go off on a 3 year voyage of discovery before getting a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Mrs Smith needs Henrietta's future taxes to support her sorry arse... While everyone is jumping on Uni education saying it dosen't lead to jobs etc etc.. The reality is the majority of people who go to University benefit from it and this country benefits from it. Your attempt at separating pensioners and students is as silly as your usual comments. Its all interlinked... Henrietta's future taxes will be the same if she went to uni or not, hence why I said a degree she wouldn't use. I'm not separating pensioners and students, today's students are tomorrow's pensioners. Lots of people benefit from a university education that isn't their own but not everyone that goes to uni provides benefit to society. That's with people staying in this country, lots of people doing varied degrees will go off and earn their living elsewhere, why should taxation/the government/society pay for their higher education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Henrietta's future taxes will be the same if she went to uni or not, hence why I said a degree she wouldn't use. I'm not separating pensioners and students, today's students are tomorrow's pensioners. Lots of people benefit from a university education that isn't their own but not everyone that goes to uni provides benefit to society. That's with people staying in this country, lots of people doing varied degrees will go off and earn their living elsewhere, why should taxation/the government/society pay for their higher education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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