Yard Dog

Stick with Shez and Tommy for another season.

Real, I've already told you why I think (yes, think ) it could work IF a certain amount of season tickets could be sold. I'm not about to start calculating exactly how many season tickets at a reduced price we would need to sell because that would be stupid - I have no precise knowledge of the accounts and costs etc at OAFC and nor do you. Put it this way though, Corney has mentioned 7 - 8,000 - I think he knows a fair bit more than you about the incomings and outgoings at OAFC. You don't think it can work, I do - end of mate.

Look, you're making yourself look daft now.....pull yer head in please.

Circles, bloody circles.

Listen pal, I know how to use a calculator too. I might be wrong, and if I am then I apologise, but I think you're trying to patronise me. I ignored you the first time. I come in peace and just want to have a debate and keep things pleasant... I mean this very politely so please please don't take it the wrong way - IMO your figures mean nothing, absolutely nothing. It's not maths you're doing, just guessing.

There is no point in me and you banding about figures which basically are nothing more than guestimates. You can make all the calculations you want, but you nor me know the precise details of the accounts at BP. What we do know is that if we currently have 3,500 season ticket holders then we would have to sell double that number to generate the same amount of income selling season tickets at half-price. But what if these additional season tickets mean our pay on the day income decreases I hear you say. Ok, we factor this in and try to sell slightly more than double the amount of season tickets - this along with increased match-day sales, merchandise sales throughout the season, car parking, lotto, extras sponsorship should cover this loss of income from pay-on-the-dayers that some of you think will happen. A scheme like this can work. The season tickets will have to be cheap as chips i.e Bradford prices and we will obviously have to sell a certain amount - whether we can reach the required target nobody knows until we try. Are we scared of trying ?

I totally agree with the sentiment behind your point, but I am not at all convinced by your calculations. Clearly, the point we disagree on is the pay on the day income. You're not at all convinced by the scheme, are you.

Really hoping I haven't missed something glaringly obvious here, but why do the season tickets need to be about 270 quid at 7,000 ?

At last, someone who agrees that these schemes can work.....thought I was well and truly on my own for a min

I think the argument that the additional season ticket sales could possibly lead to a decrease in 'pay on the days' is a totally valid point. The club would have to factor this into the scheme i.e selling slightly more than twice as many season tickets at half price. I would think it is reasonable to argue that matchday revenues will increase and so to will merchandise sales throughout the season. And, without boring you all to tears, Bradford have found sponsorship income has increased. This scheme can work IF we sell a certain amount of season tickets - there can be no argument against this. The only argument is whether we can sell enough of the season tickets. Clearly, some on here don't believe we can and it seems Corney doesn't think we can too.....apparently he has said if he felt we could shift 7 or 8,000 season tickets he would do it in a heartbeat..so it clearly is possibly...he knows the club finances better than any of us..but it's whether we can sell the amount of season tickets needed. I agree with real that it wouldn't look good if the scheme failed, but so what...it's got to be worth a try. I don't agree with real when he says people would feeled conned - before people pledged they would surely be made fully aware of the possibilty of season tickets not being offered at the reduced level if the target wasn't reached.

With regards to the possible decrease in pay on the day revenue you may well be right...you may well be wrong....nobody can be sure until it has been tried...at Bradford it has been tried and resulted in a small profit....I can see no reason why it can't be done at Oldham, albeit on a smaller scale. There is of course the extra revenue from matchday sales. There is also a case for saying that, again as has happened in Bradford's case, sponsorship revenue would increase due to the increased profile of the club etc. So even if the income generated from pay on the day gate receipts decreases (and of course there is an argument to say it could actually increase), there are other income streams that could increase. With regards to your second point, I feel there are hundreds of 'reasons' why people don't go to BP anymore....I've heard them all believe me....but I am definitely sure that a lot of people don't go to BP because of cost... I also hear often that people don't enjoy it anymore....they moan about the lack of atmosphere etc...hopefully having twice as many fans inside the ground may help the atmosphere... At the end of the day, none of us can predict whether the scheme would work at Latics and if it did what the impacts would be on on revenue, atmosphere, club profile, creating future fans, generating sponsorship etc etc BUT surely it's worth a try.

Perhaps not, but what's the harm in trying ?

Zzzzzzzz That's why Bradford can aim for 10k and actually get 12/13k....whereas we won't, but nor do we need to. If we're currently selling 3,000 season tickest at X then we will need to sell double the amount (6,000 or season tickets) at half price for it to work .Simple eh ?

I will post this LINK again --------------> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/col...icle3485612.ece As you all can tell I am in favour of Latics putting together an incentive scheme on Season Tickets. I dismiss the figures that 'real' has given.....and would also add that apart from more 'on the day' revenue generated, Bradford have also found that their profile in the area has increased and they are actually finding it easier to get sponsorship deals. I really cannot see what the big deal is.....Latics simply agree to sell Season Tickets at a reduced level IF a certain number of pledges are made (don't ask me the ins and outs and all the legalities...just assume it can be done cos Bradford have done it and Vale are trying it). Presumably the target amount of pledges would have to generate the same income that would be created by the 3,000 (or whatever figure Latics expect to sell) season tickets sold at standard prices would produce. IF the target isn't reached then the scheme is dropped and ST prices revert back to standard. READ THE TIMES ARTICLE BELOW............ If the accountants measure the dash for cash in the Barclays Premier League in astronomical amounts, fans at the bottom of football's pile know precisely the cost of their love of the game: £3.25, in some cases. That is the price for a match ticket being offered by Bradford City, who are proving that enterprise and a little thought for the people who pack the stands can go a long way to reviving a club. Bradford have been in freefall since being relegated from the top flight seven years ago, enduring two spells in administration along the way. Another bout of relegation last season to Coca-Cola League Two should have meant tumbleweed blowing through empty stands. But if Julian Rhodes, the chairman, has been unable to turn the tide on the field, he has been able to keep bums on seats. By offering season tickets at £6 a match, the average gate was more than 13,000 during Bradford's drop into the fourth tier. Now season tickets are on sale for next season at only £150 and the deal includes a buy one, get one free option: of 12,000 season-ticket holders, 9,000 are adults, and they are being offered one more ticket if they purchase by the middle of June. Each person's admission per match works out at an astonishing £3.25. Last season's knock-down prices helped to turn losses of £500,000 a year into a small profit. Now Rhodes believes that he can aim for gates of 20,000 in a bit of business that is delighting supporters' groups and opening doors to more young fans.

Hillstone only took over Chadderton 7 months ago. What can possibly have changed in that time ? Hmmmm - Credit crunch, housing market stagnation......

I would agree that Bradford have a far bigger fanbase than Oldham....that's why they get 13,000 willing to pay the reduced price and, in my opinion, we would get 7,000. And, if we don't get 7,000 pledges then it doesn't happen and ST prices revert back to the normal price as would have happened at Bradford if they didn't reach the pledge target figure. I can't see what is to be lost from trying.

Same here. I've tried to use the skill moves during games etc, but can't seem to get my level up.

Really can't understand why TTA won't just give this a try - if it's a pledge system like Bradford's then the Season Tickets are only only sold at the reduced price IF a certain number of pledges are made - I think at 7,000 Seasons Tickets could be sold if they were being offered at 50% less than this season's ST price. Bradford's policy has now resulted in a small profit...I also believe they are finding it much easier to sell sponsorship etc as there profile in the Bradford and surrounding area had grown -------------> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/col...icle3485612.ece Bradford find price of loyalty If the accountants measure the dash for cash in the Barclays Premier League in astronomical amounts, fans at the bottom of football's pile know precisely the cost of their love of the game: £3.25, in some cases. That is the price for a match ticket being offered by Bradford City, who are proving that enterprise and a little thought for the people who pack the stands can go a long way to reviving a club. Bradford have been in freefall since being relegated from the top flight seven years ago, enduring two spells in administration along the way. Another bout of relegation last season to Coca-Cola League Two should have meant tumbleweed blowing through empty stands. But if Julian Rhodes, the chairman, has been unable to turn the tide on the field, he has been able to keep bums on seats. By offering season tickets at £6 a match, the average gate was more than 13,000 during Bradford's drop into the fourth tier. Now season tickets are on sale for next season at only £150 and the deal includes a buy one, get one free option: of 12,000 season-ticket holders, 9,000 are adults, and they are being offered one more ticket if they purchase by the middle of June. Each person's admission per match works out at an astonishing £3.25. Last season's knock-down prices helped to turn losses of £500,000 a year into a small profit. Now Rhodes believes that he can aim for gates of 20,000 in a bit of business that is delighting supporters' groups and opening doors to more young fans.

Add me guys if you want a FIFA08 challenge....my name is : Mr Thornham. This might seem a daft question, but how do you get your FIFA08 skill level up ??

Can't believe Dale have gone and done what we couldn't last year - win at Brentford - mind you, Dale have got one of the best away records in that division. Tricky game tomorrow against Bradford. Shame it's on a Saturday - could have been a half-decent crowd (if there ever is such a thing at Spotland) if it had of been played on a Saturday as originally scheduled.

You don't have to do much to be kicked out of BP, or most grounds for that matter, these days. Sometimes you'll come across a decent steward....probably a football fan themself who understands....but I really dislike most of them Bar-Sterwards

From the horses mouth my friend.

It's not a secret that the Directors are unhappy/frustrated with Sheridan for failing to use the money they made available to him to bring in some quality....believe me, it's a fact. Whether Sheridan is on his way in the Summer....I don't know know and, I suspect, nor do TTA or Shez....without stating the obvious, it must be a possibility. I hope we keep Shez.

Agreed... Not sure Barry or Crouch are international level either... Listening to Paddy Power on TalkSport tonight and he said Ribery was 10/1 - wish I'd got on that

LOL !!!