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Chris O'Grady draws first blood for Forest vs QPR ...... unfortunately though a little too literally!

I really do not see how this is patronising to the fans; I can only see him picking out the weapons-grade "fans" that every club has, including this one. I think people need to start considering the everyone has a particular style of communication, and some people are not so good at it, and not everyone will take well with everyone else's style. Barry definitely suffers from his every word being over analysed and took only in the context of a pre-formed opinion of him,. And before anyone says that the guy should sanitize his articles, it's not that rare for clubs and club officials being lambasted for just churning out the usual old platitudes and cliches. In short, they just can't win...

Exactly, and the thing is, moving into the realms of pure personal opinion, I probably wouldn't currently have any of the three in the starting line-up, if everyone is fit and available.

Murphy - the sole 30 mins were in out most recent game. He is pretty near the back of a fair length list of strikers at the club, and I think it's fair to say not many people would complain if he were frozen out. But the time he has had was in our LATEST game. Green - Everyone knows he arrives at the club a massive distance from being fully fit. He played 90% of our LATEST game. From what I heard, he maybe didn't grasp that opportunity as firmly as he might of., so it does not necessarily mean he should be a shoe-in for the next game. Winchester - There's a complete thread over this one, but I don't think there's any evidence that he is being actively frozen out in any form. So, assuming what we can all see is the only available evidence, how any of the above equates to any of the three being frozen out, heaven only knows. Hence, what am I missing?

Murphy played half an hour against Shrewsbury, Winchester is injured and Green played eighty-five minutes against Shrewsbury. What is it that I'm missing?

Whilst I think I don't disagree with your sentiment, and the way this appears to be being handled; 1. Training with the kids isn't exactly the same as cleaning the toilets. 2. If we believe the Chron, he didn't turn up on Monday, and the inference is that he 'threw a sickie'; that's not really the same as 'simply wants to fight for their place' 3. The training with the kids thing apparently was only after point two anyway, and he's since apparently continued to not turn up. 4. Regardless of how much you earn in an organisation, if the job needs to be done, no-one should be above mucking-in and cleaning the toilets or whatever job needs to be done. Obviously I would ask the question of whether there are more cost-effective ways of completing these tasks, but if you work in an organization where some people are too important or well paid to get their hands dirty, then maybe you should be looking at alternative employers. 5. Clearly there is an unknown part to this story that precedes Monday's events, and it could well be some 'Barry bullying', or it could be the player not showing the required attitude in training, we certainly don't know. Generally, pretty much all the power is with the player in these situations.

Who else is being frozen out?

What makes you think we are financially secure, especially given that the new stand is not yet open, and no-one has gone yet? Now, I'm normally tending towards happy-clappyness, but I'm just holding my breath against us being forced to ship out someone for arguably less than their true worth, just to balance the books. Am glad it's not happened yet, but these transfer windows are agony.....

Did I miss the memo?

Winchester is out for a couple of weeks with his injury, according to the Chron I think.

Sorry, yes he did. See the explanation in #133 above. The direct quote is "Defensive boring football it will be this season, if he is the player to go"

do you mean "Defensive boring football it will be this season, if he is the player to go" = if he is the player to go, this season will be Defensive boring football = Rubbish ??? or are you saying that DK didn't give his word on expansive football?

Why can't his desire be questioned? I'm in no way say it should be, but remember none of us on here see him day in day out in training.

That's just pure rubbish. To say that our only hope of good football depends on Winchester playing defies all logic.

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I think that's more than a little unfair, and if anything, it's more likely that a skill-less player would tend towards favouring the more gifted as a manager, just as there are few managers from the truly specially gifted as they don't appear to be able to tolerate those even slightly less talented than they were.

That really depends on whether he is developing off the pitch, in training. True, as some-one pointed out, there is no substitute for game time, but equally you can't necessarily 'carry' a lad who is clearly not fulfilling his potential. I am definitely nowhere near any ' get rid' camp but clearly not the only one shying away from the 'first name on the team-sheet' brigade.

Don't want to tempt fate, but still no-one gone for an undisclosed fee this window....yet!

What part of it has got you flummoxed? It seems pretty much clear and plain to me.

It would seem that others currently employed in football should take up gardening too then. I must admit, I'm in the camp of thinking that Winchester hasn't done enough yet to deserve some of the unswerving blind loyalty that he seems to command from some. He clearly has some great ability, but football teaches us over and over and over that pure ability is just simply not enough, and there are clearly areas of his game that need to be improved on. If you think that his ability is all there is to it, and no further justification is needed, then I would say that it is you that gardening would more suit rather.

No, absolutely not. We support Oldham after all! Or have I got the wrong idea about this fan-thing?

FTFY Oh, and incidentally, I agree totally with your post.

Isn't that supposed to be George Green's thing, once he's fit?

Or maybe it's a case of investing your money in one decent pair of glasses will give you a better view of what's happening on the pitch rather than two inferior pairs??

Just google his name, it's right there in front of you.