underdog

TBH....

The club haven't responded yet with regards to my personal experience/personal email with regards to logging the incident I had with Kevin Birkett. Maybe there is an email backlog....

But I handed the letters personally into the club secretary's hands with a dialogue and advising them recorded delivery letters would follow...hey ho

Just now, maddog said:

 

You might be disappointed, but be honest... nobody expected him to reply. He is not the type of character to be held to account by anyone. Especially the all-important (pesky) fan. 

What me??? Pesky?......ohhh you know me so well...now mix in that I am a liar, decitful and shed crocodile tears when required.....what a horrible human being I am ...heheh

11 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

Regardless of what he thinks of the letter content he should have replied to it in some way or another. Even if he thought some of the requests were ridiculous he should have at least come out and said so.

 

I think Tracy has said that It is an EFL requirement that he has a minimum of 3 meetings with the trust/fans throughout the course of a season so to ignore them completely tells us everything we need to know about the guy!!

 

If, as he says, he values the fans support he is demonstrating a funny way of showing it!

 

This is only going to go one way!

You know I have just been on the clubs website under the customer charter bit.

Still have SLO officer as Mark Lund...even though he is no longer is situ 

And it quotes old EFL requirement for 2016/17 season as 2 fan meetings and Trust would help run them (and we did) so the "we did not know" but is partly true as its out of date.....this season it is 3

Dear all

I am briefly logging back in tonight just to keep you folks updated.

As of 18.30pm. The Trust have not had a response to the letter that was sent to the owner and club secretary by three different methods.

We are all disappointed.

We have already been advised by Supporters Direct to the what if we did/did not get a response and we are working on the no response now over the weekend. 

As soon as the next step is in place we will update you all.

Thank you all for your continuing support and dialogue....its good to talk.

Anyways, my new ink is on fire and my dog has decided to cut her pad so I am not amused....have you ever tried to bath a bloody dogs paw and prevent them eating their bandage off? any hints? its going to be a long night....

Thanks everyone and TBA

43 minutes ago, TheBigDog said:

 

Deadline is 5pm today? 

That is the time we set.

I have checked my email just now, nothing in and I am off to get some more ink done this AM.  I will be monitoring the situation throughout the day.

We have been advised by SD of what to do next with regards to the next step if the deadline passes without contact.

We are sensing fans would like to arrange "something" for the match on the 22nd so we are considering this......we might need some ideas from fans on this.....So get your thinking caps on. More brains and all....

3 hours ago, pk200 said:

OK. Sorry if I caused confusion....I'll just keep taking the tablets LOL.Perhaps Wiseowl can clarify it for me.

You can have some of mine...hahah.

23 minutes ago, pk200 said:

Perhaps my question was not properly directed.I was asking re Trust membership ,not Board membership.

Thanks for your prompt reply

Hello pk200

You can join the Trust online as it is administered by a system called Love Admin.

I check it on a daily basis with regards to registrations, any failures, acknowledgement emails, card collections, payments and contacts/news articles.

Is this what you mean? I have just noticed an incomplete registration that was attempted at 9.30am ish this morning. If this is you then I will be sending you an email in the next few minutes.

If not, then just let me know how I can help

Cheers

Cheers Lookers.....

Dear all. 

Apologies as I posted the below in the Trust pinned thread last night and forgot to add it to this one. It is dated yesterday 10/04/2019

Please find below the link to the Trust Oldham site with an update with regards to the letter to Mr Lemsagam

https://trustoldham.co.uk/update-on-fans-letter-to-abdallah-lemsagam/

Thanks

11 minutes ago, wiseowl said:

Underdog - you know my comments largely related to past events. Whatever the circumstances, nobody could argue that £200k of fans' money "spent" on a 3% shareholding was shrewd. The Trust would now have around £1Million in the bank if it had invested it in gold (for example). It's not about integrity either - I was talking about decision making - sounds like you have some excellent members - and I genuinely hope none of them "jump ship" again to join the club. Can't you see that fact alone might be a problem (i.e. the fact it has happened with 2 previous Chairmen of the Trust).

 

I`m meeting Andy tomorrow, so let's leave it there - just wanted to put to rest any suggestion of "integrity" issues - there aren't any - it's about decision making - thanks.

You are questioning decision making that was 15 years ago, on people who are no longer in situ. why and why again now?

TBH, the money was raised for the fans for the club to remain alive, not gold otherwise yes not the shrewdist business decision at the time if profit was the goal but it was not. 

Lets face it the £200k investment is long depreciated now and long spent. I am sure we have even discussed a re-assessment of the value to a lower sum.

If it makes you feel any better it is alledged the current owner bought OAFC for £1.

Good luck with Andy tomorrow. He is far more decisive than me

48 minutes ago, wiseowl said:

 

And that's the kind of decision making that makes me very wary of an organisation of volunteers in charge of money (sometimes large sums)

Our accounts are yearly audited and I would not say they are vast.  Books are currently in and will be ready for the July AGM

So you would be wary of the current Trust volunteer set up who have in their ranks:

• one co-optee's who is a MD at JP Morgan, another who is a retired university business school lecturer and chartered Accountant who worked at KPMG, a third who is a retired Director of various housing services throughout the Birmingham/West Midlands housing and ran their own Consultancy services.

• Four Trust directors who either run their own business or part of other businesses 

Wow What standard of volunteer were you expecting?......ye gods.

Previous directors have been of a similar quality 

Dear all

Please find below the link to the Trust Oldham site with an update with regards to the letter to Mr Lemsagam

https://trustoldham.co.uk/update-on-fans-letter-to-abdallah-lemsagam/

Thanks

11 hours ago, wiseowl said:

Please can you clarify this for the fans?

 

I understood that the Trust rep had a position on the board but didn't want to take it up because of fears of personal liability for anything untoward that may be going on in the background. That person then resigned because they did not agree with the recent, more assertive approach with AL. I may have misunderstood but would like to know the position please i.e. who is now entitled to the position on the board (from the Trust), are they willing to take it up immediately or are they too concerned about personal liability etc.? Is it that personal concern that is holding up them taking their position on the board or is AL simply not having a board?

 

One thing is for sure - with the timescales as now proposed by the Trust, the season will nigh on be over and this fans' initiative will peter out.

 

I find it strange that, initially, the Trust endorsed a fans' led protest (scheduled for the postponed game) yet now they are not advocating one. As already stated, a huge missed opportunity for a properly co-ordinated protest at the televised Mansfield game, where it could also have been arranged for a Trust rep to be interviewed by Sky (thereby ensuring a professional and reasoned message to the world).

 

I understand the liaison with Supporters Direct but I cannot see what Earth shattering revelations they come up with that would trump national/international media exposure of the fans' concerns.

 

I promise this will be my last comment on the matter (in fact, on the Trust) as I am distinctly unimpressed with it as an organisation (i.e. there are, for sure, some very well meaning individuals but unless it becomes independent it will remain impotent).

 

This is not a criticism of any individual - think of it like slagging Parliament off at the moment for being as much use as a chocolate fireguard, yet respecting the integrity/ability of certain MP's within it.

 

 

Posted at the same time you typed the above.

edited: 10/04/19 as I am crap with cut/copy/pasting from a mobile.

https://trustoldham.co.uk/re-appointments-at-trust-oldham/

Trust Rep to the board appointed on Monday and club notified emailed late yesterday. The club will then go through the legal process of Fit and proper,Directors liability insurance being sought by Trust. Once Trust rep accepted, club have to notify EFL

Timescales and action: Were agreed by the fans who attended the meeting and it was agreed to attempt a dialogue with the owner. The stand up for latics was the previous week before the fans meeting. The fans who attended the meeting decided to attempt dialogue with agreed timescales

Supporters Direct: Are the outside support we have lacked under the previous regime and they have experience with legal knowledge we can tap into.

Dear all

Please find below link to Trust director changes as of 09/04/2019

https://trustoldham.co.uk/re-appointments-at-trust-oldham/

Thanks

33 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said:

As per his tweet, Kieran McGuire giving us & Marco stick for moving the accounting period by a day to delay publication by 3 months. I hadn’t considered this, but - Kieran McGuire suggested - it could also be true that we haven’t paid the accountants and they’ve downed tools too.... unsurprisingly nothing else to add about us it would appear.

Moved without advising the Trust by the way.  

I was very keen to see if the debt had been dented at all and if the Necarcu loan/debenture had been paid off as per the sale to  Abdallah.

Guess we will have to wait a little bit longer

1 hour ago, jorvik_latic said:

 

Hence why I'm pointing out that a meeting on the 25th will probably be too late 

We get that Jorvik.

We have to make sure we have "ticked all the boxes" so there is no come back to some extent, or that we have exhausted all possible avenues with the owner so we can justify the next step.

Andy B has taken up the mantle of having those steps in place and the on going dialogue with Supporters Direct. As an organisation they have experience of owner/Trust/fan relationships and the ear of the EFL....you know this as you were instrumental in our membership with them, so I am feeling that I am teaching you to suck eggs and all....sorry my friend.

Logistic wise of a the next fan meeting, its Easter next week/week after so Kids are off and fans might be away or even away at Cheltenham for the Friday 19th match so returning Sat for a meeting (if we could get a venue) might be a push and then to organise for Monday 22nd April. Would there still be an appetite for arranging something Easter weekend meeting/action? I know myself I will be away for two weeks so it could impact the numbers. Thats my view, slightly negative and all but its timing. Maximum effect or damp squib?

We have to factor in the team are winning with a slim chance of promotion, so fan appetite is my concern..l know I am a natural worrier but there are those that do and those that are all hot air and no trousers.

Minimum, the Trust will continue to fight for its board level entitlement for the Rep to the board and I hope and pray, with the weight of the Trust members who have joined and fans in general behind it.....strength in numbers (by the way I need to get your Trust membership card to you at some point).

Personally, lets see if there is any movement by the deadline of 5pm Friday 12th April. I hope there is. Ball is in Mr Lemsagam's court

5 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

With respect, didn’t we have that under Corney? How did it help? 

 

 

Under Corney we were very much alone. In no -mans land between doing whats best for the club and what we should let out in the public domain, especially social media responsible as there are people that work at the club.

Now we are members of Supporters Direct who have been involved in many clubs with regards to amicable owners and those that are not. They have the ear of the EFL and also legal advice we can access with regards to the fans entitlement. I am hoping we will not have to go down this route and the owner re-engages with the Trust soon. 

Regardless of the mood of the fans good or bad, the Trust have to push for its entitlement. We are here to try our best to ensure the club is being run in a fit and proper manner.

We are a partner, with equal partity voting at board level the Trust rep should be consulted about the health of the business and its staff.  There has no board or board meetings, or even any sort of updates for quite a while now.  

Minimum, as fans you should have piece of mind that the fan on the board is overseeing the business that is OAFC and we are in a better place. We are unable to do this currently.

10 hours ago, rudemedic said:

Do they charge to watch the youth team? (I don't think we have a ladies' team yet). 

 

As it would send a message to Marco if more people starting watching the youths than the first team, but it won't put any money into his pot by doing so. 

 

Going to watch away games only would be another option (I think Blackpool took that route), but if you pay in advance the club get a cut. 

 

I've renewed but I fully appreciate that others won't but still want to support the club without supporting the regime. So I thought I'd add a couple of suggestions (the away one has been discussed previously). 

There is a ladies team. If my memory serves right its come back under the club. Midnite who used to post on here helps out with it

Dear all

The Trust have been contacted this week by the group who did the Hillsborough walk a couple of seasons ago. When the trust worked with the club to open up the RRE on a December evening and I put the Chaddy suit on. The Liverpool fans we met that night made friendships that lasted beyond us whooping their arses in the FA cup...hahah

Since then, the group have morphed into doing charity work, visiting footy grounds along the way and they will be visiting BP on Good Friday evening as they go onto Manchester City in a few weeks time. I have referred the walkers onto the club so I hope we can do something. In the meantime. Please find below the charities and route they are planning to do. if you see them along the way give them some support 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2238519616469665/

10 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said:

 

I feel somewhat responsible for kicking this off, so I’ll do my best to make amends.

 

It’s entirely possible the Trust rep spoke to AL by chance and/or about an entirely different matter. We didn’t hear the conversation and therefore cannot judge how easy/appropriate or otherwise it would have been to raise it at that point.

 

Andy & Tracy have explained they are yet to hear from Mr. Lemsagam and until the date they have requested he respond by has passed, that’s fine by me. It’s only a matter of days to wait.

 

If he doesn’t acknowledge the letter by responding, then I think we can all judge how he genuinely values a relationship with the supporters of his Limited Company.

You can lead a horse to water....

We have gone down the formal route, SD have advised us to maintain the timescales and our next steps beyond the deadlines.

Yes its alllllllllll your fault..heheh

1 hour ago, Andy b said:

We have a what’s app groups

 

over the last 2 weeks it has averaged around 40 messages per day I would guess.

 

that a Trust Director had a brief chat with AL about rumours relating to Birketts position in the club (as advised by underdog) was mentioned in the what’s app group looking back and was missed by us both.

 

full time job and two kids.

 

my most humble apologies. I shall go and have a long hard look at my life.

I put my phone on flight mode when I go to bed because it can ping off at all hours. //hahah

35 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

But they didn't ask about receipt of the letter?

 

Surely one of first questions. That's not an unreasonable assumption.

 

Or maybe I am unreasonable in thinking a member of the trust speaking with a chairman who has been sent several copies of a very in depth letter should maybe have questioned the receipt of it?

Personally, I think we have done enough within 7 days from the meeting to delivery of the letter ( at least by email and by hand at that time). 

I suppose we could have stuck a copy in his hand at Saturdays game if we were allowed past the personal security, however the Directors rallied around me instead after my run in with said fan.

However if you have time tomorrow, why don't you contact the club and ask for Mr Lemagam yourself to see if he will tell you? The door is apparently open and the questions came from the fans.

2 hours ago, Lee Sinnott said:

Should you lot not be made aware of that before it's chucked on Twitter? Makes it seem like the right arm doesn't know what the left arm is doing...

Agreed. It was a Trust person who frequents the club in other capacities and helps out. Hence why club/owner have his number to call him.

Owner knows of him, knows he is Trust.

I believe the tweet was to quell the rumour that the owner was not around/had walked.

It was poorly worded, apologies for confusion. 

I will kick Darren under the table next week

2 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said:

 

A response and acknowledgment of receipt are different to be fair Tracy.... I'm sure I read t'other day - in response to some Tw@tter nonsense about AL considering walking - that a Trust rep confirmed they had spoken to AL on the phone, post the letter being sent?

 

If true, said Trust rep could easily have asked him if he'd received it....? They could even have asked if he'd taken the time to read it....? ....and if they were feeling particularly adventurous, what his initial reaction to it was....?

Yep sorry. Travelling in s car. Less haste and all.

No acknowledgment of emails. 

Hand delivered letters. Both personally put in the hands of the club secretary by me with verbal confirnation that it is a copy from the emails i had sent the day before and 2 letters would be delivered by registered post as well. With my suggestion that contacting the trust by the timescales quoted would be on everyones best interests

We have sought guidance from supporters direct who suggested we give the club/owner time with regards to timescales in the letter

Re contact with trust since last week. I will clarify but i don't think so

1 hour ago, jorvik_latic said:

 

Have you an acknowledgement from him yet? 

No response yet my friend