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That's almost perfect - BHS had "no better option" than Green. Their employees had to like it or lump it too. And Green always said he'd do his best for BHS. But in fact he was taking funds/cash out whilst the core business declined. There might not be an alternative right now, at the price SC wants, but we as fans can influence things and can prompt change if we act in sufficient numbers. You agree he's made many mistakes, not from malice, but don't you want to see the club run more effectively? Could it really be any worse?

Tracey - for clarity the trust should probably be asking the club to change the statement, it currently says it's in conjunction with the trust.

How many times has there been a plan that has unravelled? Failing to get things properly in place and having no back up plan, it's happened too many times to not look where the problem is.

The scoreboard fund was failing and got moved to the trust. The ticket offer is only 5 games, not a strategy. The stand was £4m but then £6m and still isn't finished. Your 3 examples are all flawed. SC is demonstrating his incompetence repeatedly.

I'll stick my neck out and say I don't think the trust has earned the right to be involved. I've challenged the trust a few times and got some stick for it, but it promised a fans meeting back in June - it hasn't happened. I asked how many members it has (real members that are active) to gauge how many people care about it - no response. The trust should end up involved but I think it's not in the right place currently.

Unlikely as there's not a snowballs chance in hell that it will be repaid in 5 yrs

Sorry but I think some of your comments here distort the views of many. Whilst we are all glad we're not in Tranmere's position, we have still lost half the gate and there's no real likelihood of this changing. we lose more each year and moved closer to relegation over the last 6/7 years. People want this to be reversed. The new stand was never described as a white elephant when it started, it was unanimously seen as a positive step, bringing in 7 day income. A few questioned the pace and the viability of escalating cost from £4m to over £6m (rightly so it now seems). The fact that it has not been funded directly and has never been shown to bring in 7 days income is what people resent. they were sold one thing and got something different. In any situation that type of behaviour will lead to discontent. The scoreboard campaign was launched when we were in the bottom 4, and with a target of c£130k. We've hit c£27k some time ago and it's not there yet. No proposals, no dates. People haven't expressed discontent, but they have asked questions, is that a bad thing? Hopefully it will deliver what people wanted and quickly, but lessons about creating false expectations are clearly not being learned. People said ticket prices were too high last season, so the club put them up. Few (none) criticised the move to drop them, but calling it as too late is all too familiar. As for the idea that people have "an axe to grind" - who are these people? i think you mean fans that care about the decline that is actually happening under corney. there's no need for him to go for detrimental change, he's achieving it - check our league position for the last 6 years and our attendances. So, what could be done? Firstly create a situation where the owner(s) have to be more realistic about accepting their own losses when considering any offer to buy the club. If the rumoured price is even half true, it isn't particularly great value. There are people out there looking at clubs to buy, but a stupid price will put them off. Secondly show genuine efforts to build for the future - many thought re-signing Shez was a sign ; then they though O'Driscoll and Turnbull were signs of this, but it was one illusion after another (sold one thing, got something different). This should more resilience amongst exisitng attendees and limit the decline in gates. Finally, getting lapsed fans back is the hardest task -hence the suggestions to retain fans - but decent prices, better long term planning and player retention would help. Overall I think the key issue is repeatedly failing to deliver what has been promised (or at least been alluded to in some cases): It started with Championship football (no chance now), then a new ground at BP (abandoned), then a new ground at M35 (abandoned), then a new stand with 7 day income in 12 months (3 years and counting, any sign of increased income?), then a bright young manager - LJ (gone), some :censored: managers in between, then Shez (gone), A score board (shifted to the trust whn failing, not there yet) then a proper backroom team (gone). How many improvements have been delivered to the genuine benefit of the club?

But however many/few we need, it would cost 4 times as much as installing a seat. So the club should actually charge extra for standing. Would people pay extra? (Dave_Og - any figures for typical cost?)

Caterers retraining? Maybe training on how to stretch out portions based on number of attendees (aka 5L2F training)

Can questions be raised in advance for those who can't attend?

Until expectations drop low enough to accept whatever is delivered being classed as a major success (even if it's miniscule) in having overcome extreme difficulties - cos no other club has done this in such difficult circumstances

But better to spend time on than pissy little ideas that don't address the core problem

Or in my case "never". I suppose I should email the club to point out that although they have my email address and use it for the newsletter, they aren't using it for others things. Perhaps the robust database is flawed from the start.

True, but if that is the case,it's a somewhat misleading way to present the situation and doesn't inspire trust.

Why is the manager claiming we have a very small budget even though we have been told it has been increased from last season? Can we trust the statements from the club?

Ok, just wanted to know as I got the newsletter which doesn't specifically mention the new ticket prices but I didn't get anything else.

Is that a specific "£15 ticket" email or the weekly newsletter?

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This is like Gerald Ratner complaining that people don't buy from him anymore. Whilst some fans will spend money regardless, others will only do so if they feel it's worthwhile. It's up to the club to convince them it is.

The Venkys aren't the only foreign owners, there are plenty of clubs doing OK.

People can express discontent even if they don't have solutions. Maybe the business owner should take some responsibility for connecting with the fans to explain what their plans are. Your stance is like saying you can't disagree with the state of a political party if you don't form one yourself.

If he wants people to hand over cash they can refuse if he won't answer. It's a choice.

Why don't you ask Corney what positive change he's hoping to effect? So far he's halved the crowds. Not very positive.

Wow. TTA paid nowt for the club and about £6m for the land. They've spent £6m on the new stand (and also lost about £6m in operating losses, but can't expect to recover those anymore than you'd hand over past profit). The club has lost half its fans and hasn't finished in the top half for 7 years. For the club and all the land £24m is a joke. Maybe £15m would be fair if the land is included.

We want a better stadium. But not in Milton Keynes