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Is this factual or speculation?

I've always found it odd that elections are made at an event with no q and a. It seems a bit strange to elect people who don't answer questions that voters want to ask. Also I've always wondered how many actual members there are? And how many are needed to form a quorum?

Yeah, pull him up cos we're only 900 down on last season, which is around £0.5m lower than last season based on your 2400 figure. Yep, nowt to worry about, cos we've no cash left.

And liabilities of?? A hell of a lot more than that

I hope you're not suggesting that Corneys plan was to gradually chip away at the support so that what was a saleable club, with reasonable support and an option to buy back its ground below market value, ends up as an unsaleable club with poor support and no net assets? That would be a particularly machiavellian ruse. I can't imagine that supporters would be foolish enough not to see it.

Yeah, it does, but it happens more when you are only paying conference wages in league 1. "it's football" is a blasé understatement

13/14 budget £1.6m 15/16 £1.3m 16/17 less than that That's what wasn't said. You need to wake up sleepy head. The club is being managed into decline,probably so that at the end the lease they can shut up shop. 15 years isn't too much of a wait for a land investment.

But there's nothing to stop him looking at previous year's records and management accounts, so why has he only compared to last year? And what exactly does "more than in line with" even mean? Anyone who has dug into management statements in any business knows it's not what's said, but what's left out that is the real information.

Where does that quote give any detail of how much the club gets from non club related activity (like this one)? It doesn't. Try again.

And just to add a bit of evidence... The trust board member has seen the proposed player budget for next year. He's also said it's "in line" with the only other budget he's seen. So, our trust board member openly states, in answer to a direct question, that he's only seen 1 previous budget. Why?

Give me a quote from the trust on that....

You have no idea what the financial arrangements are other than vague statements. The truth is that turnover for OEC only benefits OEC.

Did you tell me the car park money went to Brassbank? Playing reductio ad absurdam doesn't look half as clever when you are just guessing; can you guarantee that there is no funding issue? That revenue is not dropping year on year? And that Corney is not now more focused on paying back his pals losses than any idea of footballing success?

Doesn't stop people claiming SB only knows what he's told as a justification for vagueness. Also doesn't explain why SB said he'd been "assured" that the necaru loan was part of a long term strategy but also that it could just "disappear" - anyone with half a brain can see what a load of rubbish that is. Loans don't disappear and directors should be assuring themselves, not being assured. What is being hidden? We know the car park money was being quietly siphoned off (until someone asked) so why are people so bothered about those who ask questions? About those who want some answers?

Sorry, should have made clear I was agreeing with you and (hopefully) adding to your point.

As a director of the club Simon Brooke should have complete access to every piece of information. Directors are responsible and accountable for the actions of bodies which they oversee. There's a lot of uninformed crap on here about him only getting what Corney lets him have, so when he's vague it's not his fault. That is garbage. He has the legal right and obligation to have access and use that right. If he's scared of using that right cos it might upset Corney, anyone sensible would wonder what Corney has to hide.

Really? Silver lining on a hurricane now. Are you on prozac? We are dwindling year on year, a 10 year mission to reduce wages and ambition resulting in reduced gates and revenues and the slow descent of OAFC Was it this bad when Chris Moore left? No - we had saleable assets and more players! We had a manager through the initial maelstrom. We had a core squad. We had, believe it or not, 4 stands and gates of 7,000. If you're happy with the last 10 years you're insane.

You're right, it's a :censored: analogy ;-) cos you've used the risk of loss of an asset. This is more like borrowing half of next months wages to pay your gas,leccy, rates and petrol for this month, then having to sell your car to cover the same bills next month. You only postpone the losses and end up in a worse situation.

Hmm, how did people react when the cost of the stand went up and up and up? Some said it would bring more income. Others suggested it might overstretch things and create risk.

Does Brassbank own the land, which only OAFC had the right to buy at the sale price? Is Brassbank now profiting from that land? Will this continue into the future? Silly talk or silly assumptions?

And they have now asset stripped that from the club so it's a dead duck. Enjoy next season it could be the last.

I'm aware of that, but the club still held the right to buy it back at the price it was sold, which TTA took advantage of without bringing it back as a club asset. Now they are making money from it without being fully transparent - eg parking money on matchdays

Or Neil Joy who, after the promise of a free pre season game for ST holders was snatched back said the decision was made "in good faith" - he doesn't know what the phrase means ; the decision made broke the "good faith" fans had expected. Much as I think Baz is an idiot, I suspect Joy is the source of the oft quoted, but non-existent "due diligence"

Option 1) is self contradictory A sustainable budget with the way the club has been run for the last 10 years will only see us finish in the bottom half. It's a direct result of dwindling gates as we lose tranche after tranche of fans through bad decisions and poor leadership. Talbot appointed Lookers demolished Plans refused for redevelopment Dog-gate Penney appointed Failsworth plan Failsworth plan falls apart Pre season freebie withdrawn Season Ticket compo for reduced prices not delivered New Stand inertia Trust financial fraud Lack of transparency from trust Trust chairman insults others Trust membership offer to STs won't work Ched-gate and the red fleece Holden appointed Unexplained Dodgy loans taken out Vague trust statements on dodgy loans Kelly appointed Dunn appointed Shez leaves to a lower division A couple of these were outside the club's control and a couple were bad luck,but all will have driven fans away and the other screw ups will have dented any desire to return. As a few have suggested we might as well be in admin.

Would they? It hasn't happened to any club yet, in recent times. It's a risky situation to be in, but in all likelihood it won't result in folding, on the other side the slow death of the club due to an extreme low risk, low wage, low turnover approach whilst diverting all profitable activity and assets into Brassbank means that in 10 years Corney will probably have sorted his pals into a profitable situation whilst the club withers away. But instead you see him as a miracle working saviour.