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Can you/any trust rep point me to links showing the number of members over the last 3 years? And as I'm not a member, and can't yet join, don't know when a meeting might be or what it might achieve, what's to be gained from attending? And from what I see the aims of the trust are completely at odds with achieving increased membership, but fully aligned to supporting the current owner. Do I want to be part of that? No, probably not.

I think the question for the trust to ask itself is who does it attract? And then, does it increase its attraction to fans by increasing membership and engagement? How has membership changed over the last 3 years? How has attendance at trust AGM changed? How has attendance at trust "open meetings" changed? And fundamentally - "so what?" - I.e. So, the trust does exist but what difference does it make? What evidence is there that it makes a difference?

Yeah, but it's not connected. If you want to ignore that fact,that's up to you, but it is a fact.

Colourful language and differing opinions - this is appalling https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/12/charlton-athletic-letter-forcing-fans-social-media

Thanks tracy , any indication on timescales? The season has started and I want to join. Also, any idea when a Q+A might be - want to get there but have other stuff on too.

Whilst it's flattering that you like to follow my every post and try pathetically to mock it, I'm not sure what your problem is with me asking about progress 7 weeks after the meeting? Is it just a petty personal vendetta? Perhaps you need to take a look at yourself kiddo?

Anything happened on any of these issues yet? Any dates for a trust Q+A with fans? Any news on how ST holders can become members?

Where has this been said? Is there a link to a club statement?

Can't get the file on my phone. Anyone able to post the details?

I think you're a bit confused.

Same mantra is used by many on here re getting info from the trust, and the same lack of response is seen too.

If those revenue streams don't benefit the club, then they don't affect turnover or valuation. If they adversely affect non-club businesses, they potentially put SC / others into a forced sale to avoid further losses.

Does the "ground", including the north stand bring enough revenue to make a reasonable return on £x million (or £10m if you like)?

Why £10m? Genuine question - Is that what you think the club is worth?

Yeah, that's fine. The club should be held back and suffer to wither whilst the land owners recoup the losses caused by their own bad decisions. Glad you are ok with that, but I don't agree and want a different outcome.

Surely the trust rep on the club board has full access to this information? I don't expect them to make confidential information public, but there are many things they could clarify.

That "Islamic ray guns" thing was a rather funny meme, until you actually paid attention to what the drunken semi-literate fool was saying. Whilst he was quoted with the preceeding statement, it's clear to the open minded observer that he was saying "Islamic rape gangs". It might be amusing to mock his badly articulated statement, but was it untrue to suggest gangs of men who were supposed believers in Islam were committing multiple rape? I think this is/was a cautionary event, even for liberals like myself. It's a good time to start asking questions rather than accepting vague answers.

Why haven't you used a capital letter at the start of your statement? Why do you expect "who's" to exclude the apostrophe, when in fact it should be "whose". I have to say that I don't agree with all of what's in that leaflet, especially the suggestion of disrupting events, particularly as the attendees are likely to be fellow fans, but I do agree that action is needed to get a clearer view of the arrangements between the club, OEC and SC. I don't expect to know every detail but I think there's too much being hidden, so I will choose where I spend my money.

Maybe they are simply suggesting people focus their financial contribution on things that they know benefit the football club directly. Nobody at the club or trust came out and told people that revenue from car parking on matchdays (and non matchdays) wasn't going to the club. It took direct questions to get a clear answer. The revenue from land which TTA acquired using a clause which was only operable by the football club is not going into the football club. TTA are using the land to make profits and saddling the club with debt on a stand which has not increased net revenue. Boycotting spend is a legitimate consumer choice in this kind of situation - if the revenue isn't clearly the football clubs then it won't impact on the saleability of the football club.

It's shows what a sad state of affairs we are in when people regard the fact that we have managed to sign enough players to field a team a few days before our first friendly as a sign of "clear intent".

I'm not sure there's anything to moan about? The fans bask in splendid facilities and have enjoyed great success over the last few years ; the board are considered and do nothing divisive, being open to fans views and creating initiatives to continually drive the club forward and increase the fan Base. How can anyone complain?

Decent 40 yd free kick from Shez about 10 years ago.

Sorry Tracey, I missed the edit as I was skim reading on my phone. Any chance of responses on the questions / a commitment to provide responses with x days?

Haven't asked for about a year, Never gets answered though. And, Tracey, it's been made clear that STs cannot automatically become members as it's a Data Protection breach. Can anyone from the Trust board provide an answer?

Tracey - I was wondering how many actual trust members there are, not trust board members, people who have actually signed up. Also, how can the aims of the trust be changed if members think they should be?