Ackey Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Important things to remember: 1. I have a broken leg and nothing better to do. 2. Stats based on Soccerbase figures. 3. Stats are not the be-all-to-end-all I know, just representative. 4. I think sacking Shez, for footballing reasons, is short sighted and bloody stupid, when you think that we've never left the top six all year. What sort of manager would look at a team who will sack a manager having never left the top six, who will have a smaller budget to work from and think it's the job for me? If we were 11th at Christmas next year he'd be expecting to get sacked, and that's an awful precedent to set! Anyway, on with the stats. This is a selection of managers who are out of work (or in Gannon's case allowed to talk to other clubs) and is by no means definitive. Shez: Win = 41% Lose = 31% Gannon: Win = 46% Lose = 31% Boothroyd: Win = 37% Lose = 34% Holloway: Win = 38% Lose = 34% Dowie: Win = 40% Lose = 35% Ince: Win = 48% Lose =31% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernica Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Important things to remember: 1. I have a broken leg and nothing better to do. 2. Stats based on Soccerbase figures. 3. Stats are not the be-all-to-end-all I know, just representative. 4. I think sacking Shez, for footballing reasons, is short sighted and bloody stupid, when you think that we've never left the top six all year. What sort of manager would look at a team who will sack a manager having never left the top six, who will have a smaller budget to work from and think it's the job for me? If we were 11th at Christmas next year he'd be expecting to get sacked, and that's an awful precedent to set! Anyway, on with the stats. This is a selection of managers who are out of work (or in Gannon's case allowed to talk to other clubs) and is by no means definitive. Shez: Win = 41% Lose = 31% Gannon: Win = 46% Lose = 31% Boothroyd: Win = 37% Lose = 34% Holloway: Win = 38% Lose = 34% Dowie: Win = 40% Lose = 35% Ince: Win = 48% Lose =31% I note you've not put how many promotions they've all achieved on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 I note you've not put how many promotions they've all achieved on there. Pesky Soccerbase! I shall make some enquiries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 It's a good effort Ackey but I'm afraid none of the above mentioned managers are even remotely good enough for some OWTB posters. We are looking for somebody with a win percentage well into the 90% range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigfinLatic Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 4. I think sacking Shez, for footballing reasons, is short sighted and bloody stupid, when you think that we've never left the top six all year. What sort of manager would look at a team who will sack a manager having never left the top six, who will have a smaller budget to work from and think it's the job for me? If we were 11th at Christmas next year he'd be expecting to get sacked, and that's an awful precedent to set! Said this before, its all about expectations, and setting your own goals, and being judged by that.... Both Shez and Corney said this side should eb challenging for promotion this season. Anything less than that is not good enough. hence the fans expect this. The only way you can chllenge for promotion is being in the top 6 come 5pm on the last day of the season. Anything less than that is failure against Shez and TTA's own performance criteria. If the team does not meet those targets, someones head should roll - either the manager or the chairman... err... I know which my bet is on. if we are in the top 6 come last day - happy days, this is your club shez.. if not. Failure. Give someone else a go. In turn, if we have a smaller budget etc... etc... I'd expect expectations for achievement should be reduced, which would be discussed with any new manager. Oh, and tell Jim Gannon you cant challenge for promotion on a shoestring... or, here's a shout... Russell Slade - turned yeovil into promotion contenders 2 years ago when he was paying players with turnips and cider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 Russell Slade - turned yeovil into promotion contenders 2 years ago when he was paying players with turnips and cider. Don't all their players get paid... too easy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoasis Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Shez: 06/07 1st Div play-off semis Gannon: 2nd division play-off winners Boothroyd: 05/06 Champ play-off winners 07/08 Champ play off semis Holloway: 02/03 1st Div play-off winners Dowie: ........ actually I don't care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Shez: 2006/2007 Playoff Semis, Oldham Gannon: 2007/2008 Playoff Winners, Stockport Boothroyd: 2005/2006 Championship Playoff Winners, Watford 2007/2008 Championship play off semis, Watford Holloway: 2002/2003 Division 2 Playoff Winners QPR Dowie: 2002/2003 Division 2 Playoff Semi Finals Oldham 2003/2004 Division 1 Playoff Winners Crystal Palace 2005/2006 Championship Playoff semi finals Crystal Palace Ince: 2007/2008 League 2 Champions MK Dons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 More stats! Top 8 against bottom half P W D L F A Pts per game Stockport 17 12 5 0 36 12 41 2.412 Leicester 19 13 5 1 35 14 44 2.316 MK Dons 16 12 1 3 40 20 37 2.313 Leeds 17 11 2 4 31 16 35 2.059 Millwall 15 8 5 2 19 11 29 1.933 Scunthorpe 18 10 4 4 38 28 34 1.889 Peterboro 17 9 5 3 36 24 32 1.882 Oldham 18 7 6 5 25 24 27 1.500 Top 8 against each other P W D L F A Pts per game Scunthorpe 9 6 0 3 15 10 18 2.000 Leicester 8 4 3 1 11 4 15 1.875 Oldham 10 5 3 2 18 13 18 1.800 Peterboro 9 4 2 3 11 12 14 1.556 Leeds 9 4 1 4 13 14 13 1.444 MK Dons 9 3 1 5 10 11 10 1.111 Millwall 10 3 1 5 13 19 10 1.000 Stockport 10 2 1 7 10 19 7 0.700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 ...and which of these managers are going to come to a small club, with a low budget (i.e. low wage for himself), who's fans demand your head the moment you sign a player that isn't the new Glenn Hoddle, with the running ability of Patrick Vieira, never mind, God forbid, lose a game against another team in the same division as you? I'll go for none. Maybe Gannon if Stockport go under and he is looking faor a temporary job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigfinLatic Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Don't all their players get paid... too easy... Dont know what your point is Ack? responding to the point on small budgets. Can gurantee Gannon and Slade were working on budgets that are a fraction of ours - and both created sides that play attractive football and get results. Arguably Slade achieved more than Shez by getting one stage further to the playoff final. With Yeovil. And with JP Kalala in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchie82 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I'd be happy to see Big Fat Joe come back in for the last few months, we won't be getting into the play offs with Shez at the helm. Joe might come in with the enthusiasm and experience to get the lads going again. Plus might get one or two more through the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfOAFC Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 ...and which of these managers are going to come to a small club, with a low budget (i.e. low wage for himself), who's fans demand your head the moment you sign a player that isn't the new Glenn Hoddle, with the running ability of Patrick Vieira, never mind, God forbid, lose a game against another team in the same division as you? i think you're referring mainly to OWTB members there. to be fair he's had a 2 and a bit season honeymoon period from most supporters. last night was the first time i've started to question whether he's the right man for the job and I'm still way off "demanding his head" and I think that would apply to the majority of OAFC supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 i think you're referring mainly to OWTB members there. to be fair he's had a 2 and a bit season honeymoon period from most supporters. last night was the first time i've started to question whether he's the right man for the job and I'm still way off "demanding his head" and I think that would apply to the majority of OAFC supporters. same goes for me, and to an extent my dad and uncle who i go with. i would imagine that viewpoint speaks for the majority just about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchie82 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 last night was the first time i've started to question whether he's the right man for the job and I'm still way off "demanding his head" and I think that would apply to the majority of OAFC supporters. I'm not demanding his head, most people will be waiting for the end of the season for that. However I won't be paying £20 to watch that :censored:e again this season and many will be thinking the same, will TTA make the change now? Whatever they do Shez will be gone if we don't make the play offs and even then I think he'd need to win them to keep his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 If the budgets as tight as we think its going to be, and you want someone that will gain respect from the dressing room step forward Mr..... Tony Philliskirk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 ALTERNATIVES TO SHEZ Can we at least try and avoid the same :censored:e that is being spouted on every other thread? I'm not interested in what we have, only it's relationship to what we can get!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 If the budgets as tight as we think its going to be, and you want someone that will gain respect from the dressing room step forward Mr..... Tony Philliskirk See, that's a very interesting point... he's done very well with the yoof setup, but then Shez did very well in that regard too. So are we swapping a like-for-like out of desperation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 If the budgets as tight as we think its going to be, and you want someone that will gain respect from the dressing room step forward Mr..... Tony Philliskirk He has more brains than to take the top job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 He has more brains than to take the top job. Bet he'd play Lewi and Eardley... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Bet he'd play Lewi and Eardley... Of course he would. I wonder how disappointed he is at times when the lads he has brought through are overlooked in favour of loan players. Particularly ones who aren't any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 See, that's a very interesting point... he's done very well with the yoof setup, but then Shez did very well in that regard too. So are we swapping a like-for-like out of desperation? I wouldn’t do anything until the end of the season anyway. We then see where we are, and if we don’t go up, its a ''thanks very much john, you've tried and unfortunately not got us where we want to be''. I agree that it’s a very similar appointment to Shez, but I don’t see who else realistically (without eating up a lot of the already small budget) that could come in! Most of the suggestions are both too expensive and un-realistic. Tony already has a good knowledge of the club and players and is well respected at the club. How about Alan Knill? Done wonders at Bury this season, has experience in our league and was unlucky to be sacked at Rotherham (due to finances... i think) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekWilson_1968 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 He has more brains than to take the top job. ...and has stated on more than one occassion that he doesn't want it. Derek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 ...and has stated on more than one occassion that he doesn't want it. Derek. And who can blame him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I wouldn’t do anything until the end of the season anyway. We then see where we are, and if we don’t go up, its a ''thanks very much john, you've tried and unfortunately not got us where we want to be''. I agree that it’s a very similar appointment to Shez, but I don’t see who else realistically (without eating up a lot of the already small budget) that could come in! Most of the suggestions are both too expensive and un-realistic. Tony already has a good knowledge of the club and players and is well respected at the club. How about Alan Knill? Done wonders at Bury this season, has experience in our league and was unlucky to be sacked at Rotherham (due to finances... i think) dont think tony p would go for it,maybe temp if shez was sacked now....but i think he prefers to bring the young players through,cant see him wanting to tarnish his reputation by accepting a very demanding job with a very demanding fan base and owners alike. people out of work dont normally demand high wages..they may just be happy to back doing what they love best and the day to day challenges of putting a decent team together. at this stage of a season you could go as far as saying..ok 13 games to go,get us up and you get a wage rise,type of scenario.... holloway springs to mind,and paul jewel....or like someone has said,big fat joe with willie d as his sidekick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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