Stevie_J Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I know it's often been mentioned but take away our first six games... ...And the league table would look like this: 1 Leicester 44 42 92 2 Peterborough 44 23 85 3 MK Dons 43 35 81 4 Millwall 44 11 79 5 Leeds 44 24 78 6 Tranmere 44 13 72 7 Scunthorpe 42 16 70 8 Southend 44 -5 67 9 Huddersfield 44 -3 66 10 Bristol Rovers 43 17 60 11 Colchester 44 -1 60 12 Walsall 44 -5 58 13 Stockport 44 2 57 14 Leyton Orient 44 -11 55 15 Hartlepool 44 -9 50 16 Swindon 44 -4 49 17 Yeovil 43 -23 49 18 Carlisle 44 -15 46 19 Crewe 44 -19 46 20 Northampton 42 -1 45 21 Oldham 38 -10 45 22 Brighton 43 -17 45 23 Cheltenham 43 -35 38 24 Hereford 43 -35 33 We've been living a lie all season. Bring on 2009/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 What do you surmise from this Stevie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie_Dugger Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Take away our first six games... ...And the league table would look like this: 1 Leicester 44 42 92 2 Peterborough 44 23 85 3 MK Dons 43 35 81 4 Millwall 44 11 79 5 Leeds 44 24 78 6 Tranmere 44 13 72 7 Scunthorpe 42 16 70 8 Southend 44 -5 67 9 Huddersfield 44 -3 66 10 Bristol Rovers 43 17 60 11 Colchester 44 -1 60 12 Walsall 44 -5 58 13 Stockport 44 2 57 14 Leyton Orient 44 -11 55 15 Hartlepool 44 -9 50 16 Swindon 44 -4 49 17 Yeovil 43 -23 49 18 Carlisle 44 -15 46 19 Crewe 44 -19 46 20 Northampton 42 -1 45 21 Oldham 38 -10 45 22 Brighton 43 -17 45 23 Cheltenham 43 -35 38 24 Hereford 43 -35 33 We've been living a lie all season. Bring on 2009/10. Have you taken away the first six games of all the other teams in that table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 What do you surmise from this Stevie? We are We are not the 'big club' the mob seems to think we are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I know it's often been mentioned but take away our first six games... ...And the league table would look like this: 1 Leicester 44 42 92 2 Peterborough 44 23 85 3 MK Dons 43 35 81 4 Millwall 44 11 79 5 Leeds 44 24 78 6 Tranmere 44 13 72 7 Scunthorpe 42 16 70 8 Southend 44 -5 67 9 Huddersfield 44 -3 66 10 Bristol Rovers 43 17 60 11 Colchester 44 -1 60 12 Walsall 44 -5 58 13 Stockport 44 2 57 14 Leyton Orient 44 -11 55 15 Hartlepool 44 -9 50 16 Swindon 44 -4 49 17 Yeovil 43 -23 49 18 Carlisle 44 -15 46 19 Crewe 44 -19 46 20 Northampton 42 -1 45 21 Oldham 38 -10 45 22 Brighton 43 -17 45 23 Cheltenham 43 -35 38 24 Hereford 43 -35 33 We've been living a lie all season. Bring on 2009/10. of course we have been living a lie all season...this has been pointed out far too many times. the only person who didnt realise just how shyte we was playing after those games was shez. we have now found our natural level with THIS team.and that is mid table. rip it up n start again next term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 of course we have been living a lie all season...this has been pointed out far too many times. the only person who didnt realise just how shyte we was playing after those games was shez. we have now found our natural level with THIS team.and that is mid table. rip it up n start again next term. So what you're saying is Shez did a fantastic job of keeping a midtable team in the play-offs for the majority of the season until his last game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 That table is assuming we had lost every game for the first six. If you took 16 points off most sides in the division they'd be in trouble. Shez did a good job with an average team. Some of us could see it before he went. He'd over-achieved for two seasons and it came back to bite him on the arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 What do you surmise from this Stevie? Basically that hopes of playoffs (and even automatic promotion) just a matter of weeks ago were built on quicksand, and this was simply concealed by the points tally we'd put on the board very early on. I also think it's interesting to see, in terms of a pointless "What if...?", because even with the games in hand, I wouldn't be confident this lot could stay up. I think even Joe was fooled into thinking a good run might come and see us into the playoffs, but it quickly became apparent that the squad he had at his disposal was relegation quality. If he wants to take on a challenge of this magnitude, I think he's all too aware that wholesale changes are required to have a squad even nearly capable of making the grade next term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 So what you're saying is Shez did a fantastic job of keeping a midtable team in the play-offs for the majority of the season until his last game? he did his job,as in managing the team..he fooked it up changing formations and players after 8 games when things were going well. then didnt have a clue how to get it back,lost the players resoect and the dressing room which leaves us as we are today,with players who think they know better than any manager,and want to play there game and not the team game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfOAFC Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I know it's often been mentioned but take away our first six games... ...And the league table would look like this: 1 Leicester 44 42 92 2 Peterborough 44 23 85 3 MK Dons 43 35 81 4 Millwall 44 11 79 5 Leeds 44 24 78 6 Tranmere 44 13 72 7 Scunthorpe 42 16 70 8 Southend 44 -5 67 9 Huddersfield 44 -3 66 10 Bristol Rovers 43 17 60 11 Colchester 44 -1 60 12 Walsall 44 -5 58 13 Stockport 44 2 57 14 Leyton Orient 44 -11 55 15 Hartlepool 44 -9 50 16 Swindon 44 -4 49 17 Yeovil 43 -23 49 18 Carlisle 44 -15 46 19 Crewe 44 -19 46 20 Northampton 42 -1 45 21 Oldham 38 -10 45 22 Brighton 43 -17 45 23 Cheltenham 43 -35 38 24 Hereford 43 -35 33 We've been living a lie all season. Bring on 2009/10. never mind that, take away all our wins and draws and I reckon we would have almost certainly gone down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 never mind that, take away all our wins and draws and I reckon we would have almost certainly gone down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheridans_world Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 never mind that, take away all our wins and draws and I reckon we would have almost certainly gone down. Its a definate possibilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) I know it's often been mentioned but take away our first six games... ...And the league table would look like this: 1 Leicester 44 42 92 2 Peterborough 44 23 85 3 MK Dons 43 35 81 4 Millwall 44 11 79 5 Leeds 44 24 78 6 Tranmere 44 13 72 7 Scunthorpe 42 16 70 8 Southend 44 -5 67 9 Huddersfield 44 -3 66 10 Bristol Rovers 43 17 60 11 Colchester 44 -1 60 12 Walsall 44 -5 58 13 Stockport 44 2 57 14 Leyton Orient 44 -11 55 15 Hartlepool 44 -9 50 16 Swindon 44 -4 49 17 Yeovil 43 -23 49 18 Carlisle 44 -15 46 19 Crewe 44 -19 46 20 Northampton 42 -1 45 21 Oldham 38 -10 45 22 Brighton 43 -17 45 23 Cheltenham 43 -35 38 24 Hereford 43 -35 33 We've been living a lie all season. Bring on 2009/10. This messageboard has hit a new low tonight Taking away games ? That is just silly... You get judge on the whole season .... At the worse it shows Shez did a great job of proping up a :censored: side... As pointed out...did you take away the first six games for the rest of the teams ? no ? so its even more silly! You should also remove the last 6 games as well... I would imagine that would put us some way higher... Every thought about a career in politcal spin ? Edited April 18, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 Of course you can write it off as pointless; in the grand scheme of things, it is indeed. But I think it's a shining testament to how long-term our poor form is - relegation stuff, or slightly better at best - over the last 38 games. I liked Shez for the most part, but it's interesting to think it could be seen as showing him in a good light when, to me, that very short-term form in the honeymoon start to the season, just obscured, for a very long time, where we were really headed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Of course you can write it off as pointless; in the grand scheme of things, it is indeed. But I think it's a shining testament to how long-term our poor form is - relegation stuff, or slightly better at best - over the last 38 games. I liked Shez for the most part, but it's interesting to think it could be seen as showing him in a good light when, to me, that very short-term form in the honeymoon start to the season, just obscured, for a very long time, where we were really headed. So, you've made up a table showing us in the bottom 4, based on 45 points from 38 games? But all the other teams have played more games? It would have been more honest to use the same points average for the 44 games played and showing us on 52 points, but that wouldn't have been quite as dramatic would it? Silly. How would the table look if you took the trannnies last six games prior to today off them? 59 points and 13th? Is their season just mediocrity with a spate of wins at the end then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 It would have been more honest to use the same points average for the 44 games played and showing us on 52 points, but that wouldn't have been quite as dramatic would it? Yet, even on that basis, relegation would still be mathematically possible with two games left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc88 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hate these silly things of 'if you take away these games'. As Oafc0000 pointed out, you judge a season the whole. We are were we are because of the games we've so far played this season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hate these silly things of 'if you take away these games'. As Oafc0000 pointed out, you judge a season the whole. We are were we are because of the games we've so far played this season! Some might say we got lucky early doors. We could quite easily have lost against Millwall, Colchester, Tranmere, MK Dons - then we would have been in the :censored:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 maybe its a wake up call to all the types who thought we were still in with a chance with promotion feb times... 3 wins this years...oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Yet, even on that basis, relegation would still be mathematically possible with two games left. praise shez for that eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottantuno Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 I find it it totally bewildering how a season could start with so much optimism and hope and end in such wretched tatters with no feeling of salvation anywhere near the horizon (at least for myself). I'm totally lost for words and without meaning to sound too melodramatic it feels to me like this club is fading rapidly into oblivion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc88 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) Some might say we got lucky early doors. We could quite easily have lost against Millwall, Colchester, Tranmere, MK Dons - then we would have been in the :censored:. But we didnt, we won. We are as good as 10th season so far on the games we have played. You could look back over previous seasons and claim 'if we would of won here, if we would of lost there'. We are in a really crap run of form at the mo i dont deny this but to start claiming we could of gone down if results went against us early on is a bit pointless. The same as if i started claiming if we'd have won the vast majority of our remaining games we'd be up or within a shout of the playoffs/automatic, its meaningless. Edited April 19, 2009 by Oafc88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. We are in a really crap run of form at the mo i dont deny this but to start claiming.... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah repeat to fade.. a really crap run of form at the mo(ment)? feck...3 wins this soddin year...really crap form??? its called "relegation you're sh*te" form!! blinkers off please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc88 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 a really crap run of form at the mo(ment)? feck...3 wins this soddin year...really crap form??? its called "relegation you're sh*te" form!! blinkers off please! Okay maybe not at the moment then. I dont have any blinkers on though, ive said were in :censored:e form??????? im just saying its pointless to look at the early stage of the season and claim that if we hadnt won them games we'd be in a relegation fight, as it doesnt really prove or show anything as i could claim if we'd have won so many at another point in the season we would be up there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 but it does say since xmas we were on the fast slope to doomsville. and folks still don't get the facts. its gone wrong...horribly horrbblilly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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