latic12345 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Never mind. I was going to respond properly but I can't be bothered any more. Edited February 10, 2011 by latic12345 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Never mind THat was quick edit Basically you were sayingh ypu wanted a return on your investmetn of signing players that you thought were long term prospects THe trobuel is you are asking the impossible. It might work, it might not There are no guarantees Mar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Never mind. I was going to respond properly but I can't be bothered any more. I was just quoting your original post to reply but you've deleted it. It's fair to say the scheme isn't for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latic12345 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I was just quoting your original post to reply but you've deleted it. It's fair to say the scheme isn't for you. No it isn't. My opinion on how to spend £000s of supporter money is not to subsidise players but invest in the future of the club. I appear to be in a minority. But each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latic12345 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) THat was quick edit Basically you were sayingh ypu wanted a return on your investmetn of signing players that you thought were long term prospects THe trobuel is you are asking the impossible. It might work, it might not There are no guarantees Mar Now someone has paraphrased it.... All I was saying is that using money purely to donate to the club (as though it were a charity), for me, is a little short sighted. Using the money to subsidise the club and in return the club having a scheme encouragaing new / lapsed fans is not a bad thing. The outcome is still the same. The team gets a new player. The advantage is that if one of those fans comes back and buys a ticket the club is better off. It's not asking the impossible. Nor the implausible. It's just asking for something back for the donation. Something that may improve the fan base and (dare I say it) increase the potential market for PlayerShare. At the moment, PlayerShare is essentially price discrimination. It is a way of those who are willing to pay more for a match ticket to pay more and those who only wish to pay their £20 / season ticket price to only pay it. If the club came out with a sliding scale of prices dependent on how hardcore a fan you are (with the most hardcore paying the highest prices) people would be very p1ssed off and rightly so. The only difference with PlayerShare is that it is voluntary. Edited February 10, 2011 by latic12345 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 No it isn't. My opinion on how to spend £000s of supporter money is not to subsidise players but invest in the future of the club. I appear to be in a minority. But each to their own. But would people willingly hand over a tenner a month for such "investment"? And isn't that extra player to push us over the line in to the Championship just about the best investment any of us could make? While I do think there is a case for the Trust hoarding cash somewhere - even if it is only to pay legal bills needed to save the club in the high court at some future date - I don't think asking people to donate a tenner a month for this would attract anywhere near the same response. As for other investment? The PA system in the RRE is shocking. I'd guess it would cost £30k to fix. A new toilet block is needed at the car park exit to the Chaddy End - £50k perhaps? The Trust funded a tractor (or similar) a couple of years back. While this sort of thing is no doubt appreciated, the reality is that fan contributions away from matchday will never be able to make a significant "investment" in the football club. Bringing your mates, buying a programme and sticking a quid in the kitty for the half time draw will make more difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latic12345 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 But would people willingly hand over a tenner a month for such "investment"? And isn't that extra player to push us over the line in to the Championship just about the best investment any of us could make? While I do think there is a case for the Trust hoarding cash somewhere - even if it is only to pay legal bills needed to save the club in the high court at some future date - I don't think asking people to donate a tenner a month for this would attract anywhere near the same response. As for other investment? The PA system in the RRE is shocking. I'd guess it would cost £30k to fix. A new toilet block is needed at the car park exit to the Chaddy End - £50k perhaps? The Trust funded a tractor (or similar) a couple of years back. While this sort of thing is no doubt appreciated, the reality is that fan contributions away from matchday will never be able to make a significant "investment" in the football club. Bringing your mates, buying a programme and sticking a quid in the kitty for the half time draw will make more difference. Completely agree but buying the PA system, purchasing toilets isnt investment in the future. Investing in getting fans back is which is why your final point is so pertinent. I don't understand why you would have to sell it any differently. It could be PlayerShare. It can be sold as PlayerShare. Donate £10 per week and you get a player (in this case Evina). This is precisely my point. The outcome from the punter is the same. Therefore, you can sell it the same. Just the means of getting that outcome is different. The relationship between the organisation "PlayerShare" and the club will be different. Not the relationship between the fans and PlayerShare. Providing the amount of money being used to get the player was not eroded then I don't see why you would sell it any differently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Now someone has paraphrased it.... All I was saying is that using money purely to donate to the club (as though it were a charity), for me, is a little short sighted. Using the money to subsidise the club and in return the club having a scheme encouragaing new / lapsed fans is not a bad thing. The outcome is still the same. The team gets a new player. The advantage is that if one of those fans comes back and buys a ticket the club is better off. It's not asking the impossible. Nor the implausible. It's just asking for something back for the donation. Something that may improve the fan base and (dare I say it) increase the potential market for PlayerShare. At the moment, PlayerShare is essentially price discrimination. It is a way of those who are willing to pay more for a match ticket to pay more and those who only wish to pay their £20 / season ticket price to only pay it. If the club came out with a sliding scale of prices dependent on how hardcore a fan you are (with the most hardcore paying the highest prices) people would be very p1ssed off and rightly so. The only difference with PlayerShare is that it is voluntary. I did paraphase, but it was a point worthy of briing into the debate, and am glad you have put i back up again. I don't agree with you, but it's a good thing that you have said it again, and no doubt others will agree with you. Things like o4u purchasing through the link are a gret example. lots of little things that overcome fears like you ahve about committing a tenner a month and it does not cost you in time or money are what we need I think too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 False advertising. You can get a pint for less than 2 quid at Wetherspoons. Not after you factor in the value of 15 minutes of your time lost trying to get served at the empty bar whilst 7 staff pretend to polish the handpumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Not after you factor in the value of 15 minutes of your time lost trying to get served at the empty bar whilst 7 staff pretend to polish the handpumps. That is so true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Not after you factor in the value of 15 minutes of your time lost trying to get served at the empty bar whilst 7 staff pretend to polish the handpumps. also forgot to mention that it taste like piss once you get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creepy Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 you can buy 2 pint cans from the shop for £2 and then listen to it on LP . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 you can buy 2 pint cans from the shop for £2 and then listen to it on LP* . . *LP cost of £29.99 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creepy Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 . true, i thought we was just on about the £2 entry fee though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 true, i thought we was just on about the £2 entry fee though? but if you think about it there paying £2 for beer but then another £30 for LP so its cheaper to actually just go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 but if you think about it there paying £2 for beer but then another £30 for LP so its cheaper to actually just go. Does make you wonder what percentag of the £30 LP Oldham get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creepy Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 but if you think about it there paying £2 for beer but then another £30 for LP so its cheaper to actually just go. id rather sit at home with 2 cans thanks . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 id rather sit at home with 2 cans thanks . . so does the rest of oldham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creepy Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 so does the rest of oldham ill be there really and ill be at Bristol Rovers next week, im on the dole aswell - get on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) ill be there really and ill be at Bristol Rovers next week, im on the dole aswell - get on that meet me tuesday i shall buy you a pint ( within a £2 limit of course ! ) Edited February 10, 2011 by LaticsLee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outoftheblue Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 also forgot to mention that it taste like piss once you get it. How do so many people know what piss tastes like? I can honestly say I've never had the misfortune of 'accidentally' urinating into my own mouth, nor indeed accepting the offer of sampling someone elses. Am I missing out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsLee Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 How do so many people know what piss tastes like? I can honestly say I've never had the misfortune of 'accidentally' urinating into my own mouth, nor indeed accepting the offer of sampling someone elses. Am I missing out? well the smell and colour is the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 How do so many people know what piss tastes like? I can honestly say I've never had the misfortune of 'accidentally' urinating into my own mouth, nor indeed accepting the offer of sampling someone elses. Am I missing out? Never been out with a lady who likes a loving kiss after you've given her a golden shower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latic12345 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Never been out with a lady who likes a loving kiss after you've given her a golden shower? Andy, I do wonder what goes on between your ears at times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 False advertising. You can get a pint for less than 2 quid at Wetherspoons. Cheaper than £2 at the Union Bar too But im still going! I tried I failed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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