pseudonym Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Things have become clearer now? In essence the major changes from the team LJ was picking at the end of last season and the one he appears to favouring are Oxley for Bouzanis Byrne / Mellor for M'voto Schmeltz for Croft Rooney For Smith Is this stronger or weaker? Do the options of JCH Mac Donald Dayton Rodgers on the bench for midfield and attack compensate for nil cover at keeper or back four? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 We definitely need a centre half. Regardless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjonesyyoafc Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) Oxley/?? for Bouzanis/Cisak Byrne/Mellor/Joksts/Belezika for Mvoto K Smith/Rodgers for Furman Dayton/Schmeltz for Croft JCH for M Smith Rooney/MacDonald for Barnard Decent business SO FAR imo. Edited July 24, 2013 by iamjonesyyoafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Yep! That is a move in the right direction. I'm looking forward to the return of the 3 2 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Don't Scare Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Pace, we have some pace. Some pace is better than no pace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 my only worry is that it will be a bit like 04/05 season where we started the season with a decent team going forward with Eyresey, JJ, Killen (he bagged 12 goals in 24 games that season) but with a questionable back line led by Mark Arber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_balls Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) After reading he ping pings comments in the Chron (or was it the fishal) think it was the Chron, regarding Mellor at the back, I can see what he's trying to do now. High tempo, pushing up meaning defenders will play with a real high line, an old clogger like Byrne doesn't fit in with this philosophy, of quick passing, speaking of passing, you watch on Sat against Hudds. how many time Oxley taps it to Mellor mainly but also Tarky and see how they pass it out to the midfield, with the occasional long pass (not to be confused with aimless punt) - much more refreshing to watch. Also, the fear is when we play a PNE with a Davies up top he'll exploit Mellor, but its simple really, high line Davies is on half way out of trouble, put Mellor on him, let him flick it on, Traky/Grounds sweeps up every time, easy!! (says here :-)) The issue arises if he has a pacy forward along with him, but if Tarky/Grounds/Brown do they're job properly and anticipate the flick on's etc it should be a simple sweep up. Edited July 24, 2013 by alex_balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalalajpkalala Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 After reading he ping pings comments in the Chron (or was it the fishal) think it was the Chron, regarding Mellor at the back, I can see what he's trying to do now. High tempo, pushing up meaning defenders will play with a real high line, an old clogger like Byrne doesn't fit in with this philosophy, of quick passing, speaking of passing, you watch on Sat against Hudds. how many time Oxley taps it to Mellor mainly but also Tarky and see how they pass it out to the midfield, with the occasional long pass (not to be confused with aimless punt) - much more refreshing to watch. Also, the fear is when we play a PNE with a Davies up top he'll exploit Mellor, but its simple really, high line Davies is on half way out of trouble, put Mellor on him, let him flick it on, Traky/Grounds sweeps up every time, easy!! (says here :-)) The issue arises if he has a pacy forward along with him, but if Tarky/Grounds/Brown do they're job properly and anticipate the flick on's etc it should be a simple sweep up. Such a simple game. Makes you wonder why every team doesn't do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjonesyyoafc Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If the 4 of them can strike up a good understanding in theory it should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 After reading he ping pings comments in the Chron (or was it the fishal) think it was the Chron, regarding Mellor at the back, I can see what he's trying to do now. High tempo, pushing up meaning defenders will play with a real high line, an old clogger like Byrne doesn't fit in with this philosophy, of quick passing, speaking of passing, you watch on Sat against Hudds. how many time Oxley taps it to Mellor mainly but also Tarky and see how they pass it out to the midfield, with the occasional long pass (not to be confused with aimless punt) - much more refreshing to watch. Also, the fear is when we play a PNE with a Davies up top he'll exploit Mellor, but its simple really, high line Davies is on half way out of trouble, put Mellor on him, let him flick it on, Traky/Grounds sweeps up every time, easy!! (says here :-)) The issue arises if he has a pacy forward along with him, but if Tarky/Grounds/Brown do they're job properly and anticipate the flick on's etc it should be a simple sweep up. Joe Royle's ethos was, we'll score one more than you. 3-2, 4-3 were not irregular score lines. LJ I feel might have something of the same opinion. His front 4 look like they might be more dangerous than we've been used to recently, but his back 4 will probably get caught out quite a bit. Could be good fun though. If he's only half as successful as Royle, I'll take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Joe Royle's ethos was, we'll score one more than you. 3-2, 4-3 were not irregular score lines. LJ I feel might have something of the same opinion. His front 4 look like they might be more dangerous than we've been used to recently, but his back 4 will probably get caught out quite a bit. Could be good fun though. If he's only half as successful as Royle, I'll take it. both Dickov and Moore also had that philosophy but we ended up getting found out by better sides i.e Southampton 6-0, Peterborough 5-0, Barnsley 4-0, Huddersfield 3-2 It's a team game and most successful sides have a defence, also if you spend most of the game on the attack you risk tiring key players out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 both Dickov and Moore also had that philosophy but we ended up getting found out by better sides i.e Southampton 6-0, Peterborough 5-0, Barnsley 4-0, Huddersfield 3-2 It's a team game and most successful sides have a defence, also if you spend most of the game on the attack you risk tiring key players out If Dickov did have that ethos, you could've fooled me. We had a paltry scoring record and lost an abundance of games by the odd goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If Dickov did have that ethos, you could've fooled me. We had a paltry scoring record and lost an abundance of games by the odd goal. he started off with an attacking mindset in the first half of his first season, for example he told the full-backs to push on with the attacking midfielders supporting the strikers. But after we got spanked by Peterborough it all changed instead lining up in most games 4-4-1-1 instead of 4-2-3-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 he started off with an attacking mindset in the first half of his first season, for example he told the full-backs to push on with the attacking midfielders supporting the strikers. But after we got spanked by Peterborough it all changed instead lining up in most games 4-4-1-1 instead of 4-2-3-1 That was the game we went 2-0 up and lost 5-2 wasn't it. Remember it well. I didn't dislike PD, but he definitely lost his way. After we came away from Tranmere with a win in his first game, I was really excited. His last game, Walsall away, was abysmal. I'm excited to see how we shape up at Stevenage, but I do expect us to ship a few goals this seas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Things have become clearer now? In essence the major changes from the team LJ was picking at the end of last season and the one he appears to favouring are Oxley for Bouzanis Byrne / Mellor for M'voto Schmeltz for Croft Rooney For Smith Is this stronger or weaker? Do the options of JCH Mac Donald Dayton Rodgers on the bench for midfield and attack compensate for nil cover at keeper or back four? Lee Johnson for Paul Dickov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) That was the game we went 2-0 up and lost 5-2 wasn't it. Remember it well. I didn't dislike PD, but he definitely lost his way. After we came away from Tranmere with a win in his first game, I was really excited. His last game, Walsall away, was abysmal. I'm excited to see how we shape up at Stevenage, but I do expect us to ship a few goals this seas no they beat us 5-0 at BP a few weeks after the Southampton game, they scored all 5 goals in the 2nd half. Dickov's main problem was that he couldn't win the ugly games Edited July 24, 2013 by Tommy_Fent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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