Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Dickov always waited too long. "Always"? I've given three examples of him changing it and us going from losing situations to winning ones. How is it too long if we got the victory...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 There's no evidence to suggest Johnson is any better than Dickov, however much his fanboys want us to believe he is. The worry is that we might have already seen the high watermark of Johnson's reign... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) I'm quite keen for Johnson's players to start a game as if thhey intend to win it. Agreed, IMO the present formation for home matches of deep lying midfielders and non attacking full backs gives away the early initiative. Edited February 27, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC_Ryan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Forest was towards the end of his reign... Come on.... We saw how much our league form suffered because of the cup run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 There's no evidence to suggest Johnson is any better than Dickov, however much his fanboys want us to believe he is. The worry is that we might have already seen the high watermark of Johnson's reign... He's hit a big problem in that his plans have been shattered by too many outgoing and incoming players, his job now is to galvanise what he's got, stave off relegation, and start next season a wiser man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Come on.... We saw how much our league form suffered because of the cup run. But that wasn't his point. His point was that Johnson changes games with his changes, but Dickov never did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC_Ryan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 But that wasn't his point. His point was that Johnson changes games with his changes, but Dickov never did... I agree with you, Dickov did more in his first season than Johnson has. I just hope we make gradual progression under LJ as opposed to the gradual demise under PD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Oh dear, we've reached "that" time again. Can I be the first to say that Johnson's successor is gash, has lost the dressing room, is tactically inept, clueless and should be sacked. Let us get on the managerial merry go round again, have a 2 month honeymoon period followed by sticky patch then fire off the :censored:, get a new :censored: in and go through the sodding dance again. Or maybe just try and give one of them a decent crack at it, let them make their mistakes but give it a right proper go over several seasons and not just crack at the first sign of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Oh dear, we've reached "that" time again. Can I be the first to say that Johnson's successor is gash, has lost the dressing room, is tactically inept, clueless and should be sacked. Let us get on the managerial merry go round again, have a 2 month honeymoon period followed by sticky patch then fire off the :censored:, get a new :censored: in and go through the sodding dance again. Or maybe just try and give one of them a decent crack at it, let them make their mistakes but give it a right proper go over several seasons and not just crack at the first sign of trouble. Nobody is calling for his head... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Agreed, IMO the present formation for home matches of deep lying midfielders and non attacking full backs gives away the early initiative. How come it's taken you so long to break your silence on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Oh dear, we've reached "that" time again. Can I be the first to say that Johnson's successor is gash, has lost the dressing room, is tactically inept, clueless and should be sacked. Let us get on the managerial merry go round again, have a 2 month honeymoon period followed by sticky patch then fire off the :censored:, get a new :censored: in and go through the sodding dance again. Or maybe just try and give one of them a decent crack at it, let them make their mistakes but give it a right proper go over several seasons and not just crack at the first sign of trouble. I agree with the sentiment. But how much longer should we have given Penney or Dickov? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Nobody is calling for his head... Matter of time. 2p to playershare that it has been called for by the end of March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Oh dear, we've reached "that" time again. Can I be the first to say that Johnson's successor is gash, has lost the dressing room, is tactically inept, clueless and should be sacked. Let us get on the managerial merry go round again, have a 2 month honeymoon period followed by sticky patch then fire off the :censored:, get a new :censored: in and go through the sodding dance again. Or maybe just try and give one of them a decent crack at it, let them make their mistakes but give it a right proper go over several seasons and not just crack at the first sign of trouble. Wrong thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) How come it's taken you so long to break your silence on this? If I repeat if often enough Harry it might find the managers ears. BTW, I forgot to mention Dan Gardner scored again for Chesterfield ? Quote from the Chesterfield fans forum; "Who's the commentator? comparing Gardner to Zidane! " Edited February 27, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC_Ryan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Only negative, deluded trolls would think of questioning the managers tactics, how dare they have the audacity to do such a thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share Posted February 27, 2014 Oh dear, we've reached "that" time again. Can I be the first to say that Johnson's successor is gash, has lost the dressing room, is tactically inept, clueless and should be sacked. Let us get on the managerial merry go round again, have a 2 month honeymoon period followed by sticky patch then fire off the :censored:, get a new :censored: in and go through the sodding dance again. Or maybe just try and give one of them a decent crack at it, let them make their mistakes but give it a right proper go over several seasons and not just crack at the first sign of trouble. As Lee says, no-one is calling for his head. If you ignore the lunacy of alex-balls' posts, then this thread is full of posters debating the change in style, formation and tactics of the side; the big turnaround in player in's & out's so far over the season etc. That's what I wanted to happen when I made the OP. I guess you can expect that there is always going to be 1 or 2 who have, for some unknown reason, taken a dislike to the manager (sorry, salesman!) - but the majority on here are behind him. In my case, I am behind him; have been and will continue to be. I'm just wondering what happened to his earlier ideas and tactics, and where he is going with this side / future sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Only negative, deluded trolls would think of questioning the managers tactics, how dare they have the audacity to do such a thing! Personally, it's about the way in which the criticism is levelled at the manager's tactics. There is always room for reasoned debate about things, but the teeth-gnashing and the caterwauling serves no purpose at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Bournemouth at home in Dickov's first season : One down. He made a double substitution that effectively won us that game. Alessandra came on along with someone else I think...That's a fairly rare example of a genuine considered tactical change from Dickov. For every one of them i will raise you 3 10 minute cameos of JVM up front looking confused how he got there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 That's a fairly rare example of a genuine considered tactical change from Dickov. For every one of them i will raise you 3 10 minute cameos of JVM up front looking confused how he got there. Including Plymouth at home when he stuck Mvoto up there and he scored the winner...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Including Plymouth at home when he stuck Mvoto up there and he scored the winner...? How many players did Plymouth have? Still, it worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Including Plymouth at home when he stuck Mvoto up there and he scored the winner...?Even you wouldn't maintain he was anything but :censored:ing rank at CF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Personally, it's about the way in which the criticism is levelled at the manager's tactics. There is always room for reasoned debate about things, but the teeth-gnashing and the caterwauling serves no purpose at all. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share Posted February 27, 2014 Including Plymouth at home when he stuck Mvoto up there and he scored the winner...? Do it every game, and eventually, by the laws of probability, he was bound to bundle the ball into the net off his left arse cheek and score a goal. I never saw anything in JYM that suggested to me he'd be a better bet up front searching for a goal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 How many players did Plymouth have? Still, it worked. I've seen us fail to beat a team with 9 men before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC_Ryan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 This stat was just retweeted onto my Twitter timeline, interesting: OptaJoe @OptaJoe 8 mins 1 - Oldham Athletic have scored more than once in just one of their last 16 League One fixtures. Shy. #Opta92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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