24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Assets have nothing to do with it. They can't spend far more on themselves than England does with a far lower level of income unless we keep on sending them money. That's the anglo-centric point of view. The SNP could plausibly argue, as it frequently has in principle, for transitional arrangements to include one quarter of Exchequer revenues, possibly dating from 1707 to the date of separation, the practical outcome of which might be vast UK Exchequer payments to Scotland long into the future. It's not just money. The SNP reckons Scotland has a claim on one quarter of UK Government agencies, one quarter of all discovered UK mineral deposits and so on. Everyone in England is :censored:ting it about Scottish oil and gas revenues going missing, but the SNP is after English, Welsh and Irish revenues of any and all sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 That's the anglo-centric point of view. The SNP could plausibly argue, as it frequently has in principle, for transitional arrangements to include one quarter of Exchequer revenues, possibly dating from 1707 to the date of separation, the practical outcome of which might be vast UK Exchequer payments to Scotland long into the future. It's not just money. The SNP reckons Scotland has a claim on one quarter of UK Government agencies, one quarter of all discovered UK mineral deposits and so on. Everyone in England is :censored:ting it about Scottish oil and gas revenues going missing, but the SNP is after English, Welsh and Irish revenues of any and all sorts. Have you been at the cooking sherry again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Have you been at the cooking sherry again? It's not me who's been on the cooking sherry! It's the SNP on the whisky and Irn Bru. That's what they're after. One quarter. Of everything. This isn't safe for work. And don't watch it if the wife or husband is about either. Edited September 16, 2014 by 24hoursfromtulsehill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 It's not me who's been on the cooking sherry! It's the SNP on the whisky and Irn Bru. That's what they're after. One quarter. Of everything. This isn't safe for work. And don't watch it if the wife is about either. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SniOXFhwIZ8 They'll be after our unicorns next. They will get the split of the oil according to international convention, the minerals beneath their soil and a few planes and boats that they will sell to us for spare parts when they realise they can't afford to change the spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 With perfect timing. http://edinburghflipside.com/england-must-take-equal-share-of-midges-after-independence-demands-salmond/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 That's the anglo-centric point of view. The SNP could plausibly argue, as it frequently has in principle, for transitional arrangements to include one quarter of Exchequer revenues, possibly dating from 1707 to the date of separation, the practical outcome of which might be vast UK Exchequer payments to Scotland long into the future. It's not just money. The SNP reckons Scotland has a claim on one quarter of UK Government agencies, one quarter of all discovered UK mineral deposits and so on. Everyone in England is :censored:ting it about Scottish oil and gas revenues going missing, but the SNP is after English, Welsh and Irish revenues of any and all sorts. Parachute payments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Parachute payments?I'd love to be in that meeting. Scottish delegate: "Next, we demand one quarter of the window tax of 1 1/4 groats paid by John Manure of Tewkesbury in 1737." Westminster delegate: ":censored: off you stupid :censored:." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'd love to be in that meeting. Scottish delegate: "Next, we demand one quarter of the window tax of 1 1/4 groats paid by John Manure of Tewkesbury in 1737." Westminster delegate: ":censored: off you stupid :censored:." But :censored: off you stupid :censored: doesn't exactly accord with many long-standing interpretations of the legal situation. "How's about you take 1/2 a groat now and the rest later?" is more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 But :censored: off you stupid :censored: doesn't exactly accord with many long-standing interpretations of the legal situation. "How's about you take 1/2 a groat now and the rest later?" is more like it. If by, "legal interpretation, " you mean, "made up stuff," you might be onto something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Actually they are selling themselves short, they should be going for 1/3 on the basis that Wales isn't real. Which brings us onto, "Northern Ireland. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Said on the news this morning that Scotland's paid more in tax revenue than it's received in public spending 4 out of the last 5 years. You can prove anything with statistics though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 They'll be throwing tea in the harbour at Aberdeen in no time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 They'll be throwing tea in the harbour at Aberdeen in no time! The original tea party was held by smugglers who were out of work because the tea tax had been cut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Said on the news this morning that Scotland's paid more in tax revenue than it's received in public spending 4 out of the last 5 years. You can prove anything with statistics though.I don't know the sourcing of this but there is a lot of devil in the detail, especially around where you attribute central spending to. It's a fact that the Barnett Formula gives them more for services and also that a lot less of them are in work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 A quick addition, I suspect that states is double dipping. English taxes pay government salaries and other provisions in Scotland which are then taxed and counted as Scottish inputs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Have a guess which Scottish Independence campaigner was actually born in Essex? http://undergroundmgzn.com/2014/09/15/exclusive-alex-salmond-birth-certificate-reveals-born-essex/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Cameron is feeling the pressure. Speaking at the launch of Andrew Marr's book, which features the assassination of a Prime Minister, Dave said: "I have to say that after the events I've been facing over the past few days, assassination would be a welcome release". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Have a guess which Scottish Independence campaigner was actually born in Essex? http://undergroundmgzn.com/2014/09/15/exclusive-alex-salmond-birth-certificate-reveals-born-essex/ Not Salmond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 If by, "legal interpretation, " you mean, "made up stuff," you might be onto something. The Acts of Union. Various Finance Acts. That stuff. The UK constitution is a legal entity even if that includes "what politicians take it to mean". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 The Acts of Union. Various Finance Acts. That stuff. The UK constitution is a legal entity even if that includes "what politicians take it to mean".None of that stuff says anything like what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 What is clear from the results programmes is that spending on leisure centres north of the border is significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 None of that stuff says anything like what you said. To be continued (for decades as an entirely moot debate). Great opportunity to punish the SNP by giving them what they want. No more Barnett formula. No more UK Government departments in East Kilbride. And all Cameron has to say to justify it is, "I've listened to the people of Scotland and this is what they say they want." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 They all promised to maintain the Barnett Formula. I just can't see the rest of the country being cool with Scotland having home rule while their kids and sick people get preferential treatment. At the moment they are having their cake and eating ours. Oh well, the people have spoken. The bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The electoral turnout was 85% of the 97% registered voters. Although unlikely, the 12% registered people who did not vote could have affected the result. The turnout in the 2010 Parliamentary Election was only 65.1% and the Tories and Lib Dems together got less than 50% of that paltry turnout. It's too easy to be apathetic about politicians generally and to decline to vote, saying even if I vote, I can't complain. The democratic process is the only method available to express our preferences, and has been considered important enough in the past for people to die for. There's a General Election next May. Use your vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 What is clear from the results programmes is that spending on leisure centres north of the border is significant. And they're still :censored: at sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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