LaticsPete

Wholly agree. It was as distinct as Blackburn's halves, or Bristol Rovers' quarters. Solely down to Ken Bates' that we stopped wearing it. An all blue strip is boring, derivative, and makes us on of umpteen.

Former residents of JKLatics will know of this odious scrote. He's still spouting on the Gillingham site and outlining where to drink. Announces the Clayton Arms has closed down but his knowledge (as usual) of why is a little scratchy. Wouldn't it be nice to bump into him?! Dont know the full reason Im presuming JW Lees pulled out amidst all the rebuilding fiasco. Pubs near the ground are relatively horrible to be blunt.

Never mind that. How's the lorry driver?

Soory but I've just been an anorak and checked, Irwin's first full cap was in a friendly v Morocco on 12 Sept 1990 . That's after he went to the darkside.

Millie didn't get capped while Dennis was at BP I'm sure

29 I believe.

Was Killer a full international? If so, good call.

I was thinking the same. If so, that is quite a significant achievement. When was last time we fielded two current internationals in the same Latics team, as we will do on Saturday (probably) ?

Sorry if this is too late for the lifeboats to get to the stricken ship but......Daily Mirror says we are after Bridges on loan from Hull. He did well at this level with Carlisle.

I sincerely hope I am not a victim of identity theft! it has taken me over 50 years to grow into this one!

I think the good Corporal is like oafc0000 in the programme thread. Got to have the last word and then saying "You haven't replied because you can't"! (Waits in trench for oafc0000 to come storming back over the top)

I don't have a link . It is from a magazine ! (ironic ). I disagree with you. End of.

At least you are not shouting. I think we may be in danger of boring other people (and each other). I find your argument flawed and contradictory , you think i am incapable of understanding. You wont buy progs, I will - and so will lots of others. As reported in PM , "A sample of 56 Football league clubs in recent survey shows that there has been an average increase of 3.2% in numbers of progreammes sold and an increase of 6.8% in income from sales and advertising from programmes from season 2003/4 to 2005/6".

Shouting too.... Calm down and read what the thrust of your "opinion" is. And "little" use or relevance hardly alters its thrust. Will give you exact stats as soon as I dig them out. As for Pming me - if you choose to comere on the board , expect to get replied to on it.

My my. Anyway, if progs are of no interest or relevance why is it , and these are your words , "enough people still buy them"? No problem with your opinion - that they are of no relevance or interest to you. But the way in which you then make an ex cathedra statement that they are of no relevance or interest at all is not the same thing. You make your choice about whether to buy them or not , fair enough, but the stats about programme sales across the Football League are that the last three years has seen an increase in sales. Despite the internet.....

Div 4 promotion team 1970-71. A kit that was Bates idea and overturned nearly 70 years of Latics traditions of blue and white - and 60 years of the distinct broad blue and white "thirds" shirt. Tangerine -nice as an away kit but a heinous crime as main kit. BTW - Jim Bowie was 6' 2", quite a way shorter than players like Ormondroyd , pogs etc. Players were generally less physically developed in those days. Look at keepers , a 6ft tall goalie was big. Alan Hopkinson a good England keeper just 5' 10". Rationing!

So why do clubs still produce them and why do people still buy them? I know this board is about opinion but your insular and self opinionated stances are .......

The programme is regularly voted one of the best by the magazine Programme Monthly and I have to agree. There's a good deal of historical content, the feature on the away team is always good, and there's a strong layout. £3 is not cheap - but neither is it exorbitant. Well done Gordon Lawton on production and content. (And I have a feeling that the club may have done its sums on the x at £2.50 or y at £3....they're not commercial muppets)

When I played in the Mid-Wales League ( a couple of seasons in the 70s) all matches kicvked off in the morning or lunchtime when Wales had a rugby international. No problems.

Shez did - two in fact. You really are a sniper at him aren't you?

Elding - £200K plus nice Leeds wages. Clubs at League 2 aren't giving people away, and players' agents are looking for the best deal for their clients. What we can offer is not just about transfer fees it is about a salary cap - and 4500 gates don't help that. As for Shez contacts - I think your "hunch" is well off track. It's a prejudice unless you can show some rationale for it. Every manager has his networks - but it's not the manager who determines the selling price. It wasan't Alan Irvine and Shez agreeing the price of Trotters. Just as it wouldn't be Shez and a mate agreeing the price of a player Latics might fancy.

Sorry Alec but Billy Urmson's record at bringing kids through stands comparison with anyone. He was respected by every manager he worked under at BP, and by players, managers, and coaches at other clubs too. He was a taskmaster but he devloped many league players.

whats the motto of the fans oh yeah............................ KEEP THE FAITH.........try not to forget that! If winning something is the only criterion of being a good manager then Shez can't tick the box. But neither did Joe Royle for many seasons. So do we throw Shez aside, go for someone else , start again, or do we back him and accept that he is still developing? We are now unfirtunately a club with limited resources and limited pulling power - it's not going to change overnight. TTA have a shown committment, with continued backing and ground plans. We have to do the same - and that includes not doing a Corporal Jones after losing 3 matches in 17.

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