Matt

I have no idea - don't say though, Exile might know...

Which logical fallacy is it? I can see what you are saying, however I'm not sure about the agnostic being presented with evidence - where is this evidence? That's the confusing cause and effect fallacy. In death the philosophy/criteria of agnosticism remains unfulfilled - the agnostic still does not have the knowledge to affirm or dispel the agenda. The individual dies, agnosticism does not. The effect of death does not cause a change in philosophy. Good work on the gee-gees O_P...

Wylde went to Sporting Lisbon I think.

If we could detract from the personals and debate the issue, we might get somewhere. Might...

After death the agnostic may well still be without knowledge of gods existence - we do not know - , therefore the agnostc can remain so. The agnostics death does not qualify atheism.

That's a logical fallacy, a false dilemma. Rummy does not mention god therefore Rummy equals atheist. Just because I do not mention god does not mean I am an atheist. Very true. Clearly I fall into the former category - which gives theists enough rope to hang themselves. Do we have any facts on God? Or is He still just a hypothesis? I think god is a hypothesis - there is not enough scientific evidence to prove god's existence - however I will not close the door on theists providing some proof as and when it arises. Is that a picture of Santa Maria on that piece of toast? lol! Next...

I cannot be an atheist - for me this is as bad as theism - so is extreme Scepticism. One extreme to another! For one to completely disregard something without scientifically proving or debunking is being a little short sighted. Everything that is wrong in the world is done by our own hand, we do it to ourselves unfortunately - and only we can save us from us...

Quite right Ackey, each to their own - just don't expect me to roll over and believe any old cobblers.

Why would they give up? In my case agnosticism and constructive scepticism allows for chance - however remote. Constuctive Scepticism encourages theists to come with some evidence - which puts all the onus on them. A good position to be in.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VktQBj1Dm4 As a friend of the family gets ready to move from being bashad up all cosy in Cyprus, to operating in freezing cold conditions through the wadis and poppy fields of Afghanistan - I'd like to give a big hats off to our lads. Come back in one piece.

Wednesday mate.

Wigan, Leeds, Tranmere, Bolton, Rochdale and Chesterfield. Why Chesterfield? I remember getting beat down there, and it looked like we were nailed on relegation candidates - the Spireites in the stand to the right were laughing at us - Chesterfield laughing at Latics. Got to be the lowest point of my Latics supporting life, hated 'em ever since.

As Warney was last seasons OWTB Player of the Year, I'll be applauding him - he'll get a great reception.

Not as many as I first thought really. First class games.... Oldham (!) Rochdale Bury Blackpool Preston Burnley Blackburn Cardiff Mansfield Leeds Utd York City Northampton Man City (Maine Road) Man Utd Wigan (both) Everton Liverpool Leicester City (Filbert St.) Walsall Brighton Crewe Alex Newport Co.(on the day they died.) Stockport Co. Millenium Stadium Notts Co. Wrexham Macclesfield T. Bradford Doncaster (Belle Vue) Chesterfield Huddersfield (both) Sheff Wed Sheff Utd Scunthorpe Middlesboro (Ayresome Park) Bolton (both) Grimsby Stalybridge scraping the barrel now... Castleton Gabs Bacup Boro Radcliffe Boro Nelson Chadderton Town (I could go on with these local ones) Oddballs... San Siro (Milan Vs Inter Boxing day ooo 95? Can't remember) Castletown, IOM Douglas, IOM Naas, Ireland. oh go on then, since you've asked... Knowsley Road The Willows Wilderspool and Halliwell-Jones Twickers Headingley RL Stobart-Halton and the Tetleys Stadium, Dewsbury!

Many think like this though, and I find it frustrating. I have similar frustrations with Intelligent Design and Creationism - blind faith - above all else. I am an Agnostic and a constructive skeptic. Therefore instead of thinking that it is just not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of the existence of God or gods, I go with the train of thought that: I personally have no knowledge of the existence of God, and at the moment it cannot be proven to me. So I leave door open for anyone to try! I find that there is no such flexibility/opportunity with creationists or believers of intelligent design.

Check this out... Spot the logical fallacy.

Excellent stuff! Nice one...

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Probably, so don't rise to it Amo. We'll keep an eye on it...

LOL! Aye, Beardy looks like he's just done a polar expedition.

Yes, REDSURE was on the shirt later on...

My favourite of the recent kits: 98-00 My favourite all time: 77-79

Aye, he only had 15 games at Charlton n'all...

Thanks oafc0000