daznathe Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 'for some reason the players play with freedom away from home and try things they wouldnt in home games' translates as 'im starting to get a bit p!ssed off with the moaners inhibitting my young team but im a little worried after what happened when ronnie moore dared speak out' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmad Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 'for some reason the players play with freedom away from home and try things they wouldnt in home games' translates as 'im starting to get a bit p!ssed off with the moaners inhibitting my young team but im a little worried after what happened when ronnie moore dared speak out' Well tbh that is because he has a point. The constant moaning and whinging contributes towards the poor home performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daznathe Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share Posted January 22, 2008 get your tin hat on mate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Shez on the fishal site: "Perhaps it's that people express themselves more away from home and aren't afraid to make mistakes" - is he talking about the players or the crowd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daznathe Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share Posted January 22, 2008 no idea but at least you didn't misread my quotation marks as apostrophes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellysheroes Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 talking about the crowd there and he is right to have a go, well done shez about time!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Well it's one explanation isn't it? but like he keeps saying he doesn't know the reason why, however he does redeem himself once later on in the piece by saying it's his job to find the reason and put it right. So I guess if it's just the moaners he'll be heading into the crowd to cuff a few! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandLatic Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Well tbh that is because he has a point. The constant moaning and whinging contributes towards the poor home performances. I agree it is definitely a factor, but also I think it just suits us more away from home whem teams are more likely to come at us and we can open them up easier. Our defense is very strong imo so we can deal with most teams attacks even on their own turf without much trouble, so it's in attack that away games really suit us. At home I thinkw e just need to be more adventurous. Go after teams early and then keep the pressure on when we get that first goal. Not saying that we haven't sdeserved to win a hell of a lot more games at home on balance of chances, I just feel we could be doing more to create for our strikers. At home so many teams are coming to us and just sitting back and instead of then taking on the challenge and giving it a good go we are just waiting for something to happen rather than forcing it. When we start to be a bit more adventurous and maybe score a few more gaols and pick the odd extra win the moaners will shut up, although thats not saying they aren't being ridiculously over extectant and should just shut up anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Personally I think the manager is trying to shift the blame away from himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 So I guess if it's just the moaners he'll be heading into the crowd to cuff a few! So he did learn something from Brian Clough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Personally I think the manager is trying to shift the blame away from himself. *sits back and awaits brewing storm. 4 pages at least this one* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoasis Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Personally I think the manager is trying to shift the blame away from himself. Now I am surprised ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 no idea but at least you didn't misread my quotation marks as apostrophes! Now you mention it - "im" should be "I'm" - a small point, but one worth bearing in mind for future accuracy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you learn something every day on OWTB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daznathe Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share Posted January 22, 2008 coco is rapidly receding back to pessimism despite no losses since his promise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j@cko Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Feckin hate whingers, do me head in! but shez is as big a whinger as yer likely to see at BP, i know its his job or not, but its all about man management, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daznathe Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share Posted January 22, 2008 i dont mind whingeing occassionally, its the abuse that gets me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drphibes Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Well if the fans are to blame then we will more than likely never improve or go places. It is a fact that the moaners have always been present and I would imagine that will continue long after us lot leave this planet. I can only presume that the great Latics teams of years ago had more bottle and personality and could handle the blubberings of a few punters ? Drphibes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmad Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 (edited) get your tin hat on mate.. didn't mis-understand your quote from shez. My reply has nothing to do with you personally--sorry if it came acroos that way. I just happen to agree with what shez was saying in a more diplomatic fashion. Edited January 22, 2008 by laticsmad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec1954 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Well if the fans are to blame then we will more than likely never improve or go places. It is a fact that the moaners have always been present and I would imagine that will continue long after us lot leave this planet. I can only presume that the great Latics teams of years ago had more bottle and personality and could handle the blubberings of a few punters ? Drphibes I think that the level of moaning is small. Look at Liverpool; now that IS moaning! It is part of the game. Time for the players and managment team to just accept it and get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellysheroes Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 NOT MOANING AT THE PLAYERS THO!!!! there moaning at the board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 coco is rapidly receding back to pessimism despite no losses since his promise Yes, but on this occasion I reckon he isn't far wrong. The atmosphere may not be great and it is not conducive to results, however not being able to break the opposition down is much more an influence. Teams come here and stick players behind the ball and our inability to break them down is the problem. Be it lacking attacking flair or a battering ram, it isn't down to the crowd. On this occasion it whiffs of blame-shifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemma06 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 (edited) Well if the fans are to blame then we will more than likely never improve or go places. It is a fact that the moaners have always been present and I would imagine that will continue long after us lot leave this planet. I can only presume that the great Latics teams of years ago had more bottle and personality and could handle the blubberings of a few punters ? Drphibes Exactly, people moaning is a very handy excuse for our poor home form. Like it or not its part and parcel of football. I heard a lot more moaning at players the season we got promoted to the old first division, it didn't effect the team them, in fact i remember one game and one player had been getting a load of stick all through the game, he scored with about 10 minutes left and ran over to where we stood and said "not bad eh" to those who had been having a go at him all game. Gregan has done similar things earlier this season as well. That is the way to deal with moaners, prove them wrong. Unnfortunately we have some young, inexperienced players in our team who haven't yet learned how to cope with the crowd, they will do though, just takes time. Ronnie Moore said something very similar a few months before he left and got slated for it, yet most people seem to be agreeing with Shez now that he has said it Edited January 22, 2008 by Gemma06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheridans_world Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Personally I think the manager is trying to shift the blame away from himself. Thats an angle i had not thought of. It could be the case, although i doubt it. Shez is a footballer, we all saw him as a player. He knows that you can spout rubbish in this game for consistent losses. Blaming the fans or not, i dont think Shez is trying shift the blame. He knows the consequences of not getting results... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 if we play 442 at home and stick to 433 away , we will pick up more wins at boundary park , at home we have to dictate the play and the 433 does not work, away from home we deal with the pressure and play alot more break away football, its suits us to bring pressure on to ourselves, teams sit back at boundary park and do the same that we have done for the last 10 away games or so. we just need to be alittle smater in possesion, if we can get a big man up front, i think our home form will improve ten fold. as long as another striker like hughes plays directly off him. people moan at football its part of life, we have them at latics everyone does, in my wyes its the formation thats the problems, not the fans , although some do need to have a word with themselves. i said it before we are a young team and over the next twelve months we will improve even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 if we play 442 at home and stick to 433 away , we will pick up more wins at boundary park , at home we have to dictate the play and the 433 does not work, away from home we deal with the pressure and play alot more break away football, its suits us to bring pressure on to ourselves, teams sit back at boundary park and do the same that we have done for the last 10 away games or so. we just need to be alittle smater in possesion, if we can get a big man up front, i think our home form will improve ten fold. as long as another striker like hughes plays directly off him. people moan at football its part of life, we have them at latics everyone does, in my wyes its the formation thats the problems, not the fans , although some do need to have a word with themselves. i said it before we are a young team and over the next twelve months we will improve even more. Spot on that man. I interpreted what Shez said as the extra pressure placed with home fans and unrest as soon as we lose the ball. You can sense it every time it happens so it's understandable, especially with younger players, that they've it on their mind whenever a mistake is made. But, you're never going to get rid of that - it's always been there. The way we play football which is plenty of passing through midfield, at this level occasionally someone will mis-control it, hit a bobble and it goes back to them. Cue sighs, grumbles and shoulders dropping by some players as we fight to get the ball back. I think we're also pretty easy to play against at home. Teams have obviously done their homework, pack defence and midfield and go for the opportunists goal, or at the worst they get a draw. We've not closed games out either when we take the lead - last season usually when we took the lead we went on to win the game, but all too often this season we've taken the lead and the mistakes and edginess have crept in. Away from home it's a different prospect. The onus is on the home team to attack so it leaves more areas for us to exploit which is evident in our good form. Also add in the fact that sighs, grumbles and groans aren't there (well, not from our fans anyway) when an attack doesn't come off and confidence rises. But Shez only wants to play one way, which is fine but we do need a midfield player with a brain and good passing range to execute it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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