Luke Becketts Anchor Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Agreed, the Met stop is a must and the extra income gained from turning the car park into a park and ride 6/7 days a week must be enough to make the board go with the decision. Trouble is, there isn't really any congestion into Manchester on Oldham Road. So the only people willing to pay would be those who could save on the cost of parking in the centre. And most of those will be on expenses, or too rich to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmarko Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 One thing that does not seem to have been brought up, Alan Hardy mentioned the fact that creating a Latics MetroLink station would apparently add two minutes overall to the journey time to/from Manchester, another reason why they would be unwilling to build the station, and possibly a reason why the cost is so high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Becketts Anchor Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 One thing that does not seem to have been brought up, Alan Hardy mentioned the fact that creating a Latics MetroLink station would apparently add two minutes overall to the journey time to/from Manchester, another reason why they would be unwilling to build the station, and possibly a reason why the cost is so high. Only if it stops. It could be matchdays / matchtimes only if required. Anyhow, the damn thing is already taking over an hour from Rochdale, so who the hell is going to use it? Quicker to get on a bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Only if it stops. It could be matchdays / matchtimes only if required. Anyhow, the damn thing is already taking over an hour from Rochdale, so who the hell is going to use it? Quicker to get on a bus. Life was so much easier when you could just hop on a train ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) What ever happened to a Green future for Manchester, surely a Metrolink stop at a football ground makes environmental sense, nevermind common sense. I don't know how much a Metrolink stop costs but why should we pay for all of it- how much will the Met make, nevermind anyone else involved? Will there be park and ride facilities at the other two stops nearby? As I can see the Met being driven to in order to catch the tram into town during the week (I know because I used to do it all the time- I actually drove past one stop as it didn't have good parking facilities). Did LCCC pay for the Met stop at Old Trafford- nevermind the number of people who use it to go to PLC. Or what about the G-Mex? How far is it from Market Street to Moston St is it? That can't be half a mile but there are 3 met stops in that location. The Met stop is much more important to the club than any corners being filled in and people should be pressuring the local politicans for it to be included without us having to stump up the cash I agree with the thrust of your argument. However if you mean the LCCC metro stop that was Warwick Road station , then that;s been there for decades. It was simply a case of turning a rail stop to a metro stop. Edited February 11, 2010 by LaticsPete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Did LCCC pay for the Met stop at Old Trafford- nevermind the number of people who use it to go to PLC. Man United is a limited company - has been ever since Glazer took over years ago. Bless him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 What ever happened to a Green future for Manchester We voted against the congestion charge which meant there was no money to pay for any green future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Only if it stops. It could be matchdays / matchtimes only if required. Anyhow, the damn thing is already taking over an hour from Rochdale, so who the hell is going to use it? Quicker to get on a bus. Indeed. Croydon has a tram system, once you are out of the town centre they are request stops only. This one would only be stopping aside from matchdays if there was a need to, ie people were using the facilities there (in which case it should be stopping there!) or the park and ride was being taken up, which should assist with traffic flow down the road We voted against the congestion charge which meant there was no money to pay for any green future. And a very good thing too. At the risk of dragging 0000 out of exile, C-charging doesn't necessarily produce any environmental benefits at all. In any case it wasn't going to pay for the fleets of ghost buses that were goign to run all day or the white elephant projects, they were the sweetener for the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Trouble is, there isn't really any congestion into Manchester on Oldham Road. So the only people willing to pay would be those who could save on the cost of parking in the centre. And most of those will be on expenses, or too rich to care. i take it you dont travel to manchester on a daily basis then??? i used to work on oldham road in newton heath and from around 7:45am onwards the road was backed up from manchester centre to the sharp building on oldham road,solid traffic,this partly due to the introduction of bus lanes that have cameras on them so if you use them your fined.... im pretty sure if the owners wanted to, the cost could be met from them, oldham council and manchester council 500k i heard,but the park n ride scheme would bring in daily revenue the club doesnt currently get,so for me its a no brainer. of course the owners could if they wanted to,to ease fans in shaw and roytons problems put on a soccer express bus on matchdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmarko Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Only if it stops. It could be matchdays / matchtimes only if required. Anyhow, the damn thing is already taking over an hour from Rochdale, so who the hell is going to use it? Quicker to get on a bus. That was my first reaction. But then the whole point of this development is off the field/non-match time profit from other commercial ventures, therefore meaning that really you want the Metro stop full time, for cinama, bowling or whatever etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmarko Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 i take it you dont travel to manchester on a daily basis then??? i used to work on oldham road in newton heath and from around 7:45am onwards the road was backed up from manchester centre to the sharp building on oldham road,solid traffic,this partly due to the introduction of bus lanes that have cameras on them so if you use them your fined.... im pretty sure if the owners wanted to, the cost could be met from them, oldham council and manchester council 500k i heard,but the park n ride scheme would bring in daily revenue the club doesnt currently get,so for me its a no brainer. of course the owners could if they wanted to,to ease fans in shaw and roytons problems put on a soccer express bus on matchdays. Apparently the park and ride scheme would take a massive amount of time to even turn any sort of profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonLatics Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Apparently the park and ride scheme would take a massive amount of time to even turn any sort of profit. Yes it may take time to make a profit, but if the intention is to be at the stadium for 100yrs+ then thats alot of profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Apparently the park and ride scheme would take a massive amount of time to even turn any sort of profit. How? The carpark will be there anyway, the tram line is going past, possibly with a stop at the 'Latics Village'. If the tramstop is to be there then where are the significant costs? I can't imagine TTA feel a tramstop would only have the purpose of facilitating a Park & Ride scheme, so surely they aren't basing their decision on whether to have a stop on how long the Park & Ride would take to pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmarko Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 How? The carpark will be there anyway, the tram line is going past, possibly with a stop at the 'Latics Village'. If the tramstop is to be there then where are the significant costs? I can't imagine TTA feel a tramstop would only have the purpose of facilitating a Park & Ride scheme, so surely they aren't basing their decision on whether to have a stop on how long the Park & Ride would take to pay for it. Thinking back on the conversation with Alan Hardy, the time to taken to make money could have been related to paying out the half million pounds for the stop in the first place. The impression I got from Alan was (and I personally agree) that half a million quid is way too much just for a stop outside the ground; he mentioned the possibility of a Car Park and Ride scheme, and said that it would take very long to make any money. Just trying to crystallize the brief conversations I had, apologies if it's unclear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaticsfan Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Only if it stops. It could be matchdays / matchtimes only if required. Anyhow, the damn thing is already taking over an hour from Rochdale, so who the hell is going to use it? Quicker to get on a bus. which buses are you getting? first you wait 30 mins for one, then you wait 10 mins for bus driver to read his paper, then you set off, then theres a million stops per square foot, its ccarnage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaticsfan Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 How? The carpark will be there anyway, the tram line is going past, possibly with a stop at the 'Latics Village'. If the tramstop is to be there then where are the significant costs? I can't imagine TTA feel a tramstop would only have the purpose of facilitating a Park & Ride scheme, so surely they aren't basing their decision on whether to have a stop on how long the Park & Ride would take to pay for it. The politcians taking "admin fees" basically they sign it as ok in return for you paying them loadsa money for the priveelage, of which none of it goes back to the community, they dont see thebenefits for the community they see how much is in it for themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I agree with the thrust of your argument. However if you mean the LCCC metro stop that was Warwick Road station , then that;s been there for decades. It was simply a case of turning a rail stop to a metro stop. I think it may be that but I'm not old enough to remember it as such. Plus I believe its been redeveloped over the summer- who paid for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I think it may be that but I'm not old enough to remember it as such. Plus I believe its been redeveloped over the summer- who paid for that? If that's the case, Dean St Train stop is on the other side of Broadway. You could piss on the new ground from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Only if it stops. It could be matchdays / matchtimes only if required. Anyhow, the damn thing is already taking over an hour from Rochdale, so who the hell is going to use it? Quicker to get on a bus. When was the last time you tried to drive from Rochdale to Picadilly at rush hour? It takes longer than an hour at that time of day. I bet the Met gets used quite a lot when they finally get it going from Rochdale/Oldham to Manchester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 When was the last time you tried to drive from Rochdale to Picadilly at rush hour? It takes longer than an hour at that time of day. I bet the Met gets used quite a lot when they finally get it going from Rochdale/Oldham to Manchester Given that Rochdale station is inconvenient to get to and not exactly in the heart of commuter-belt country I would expect a lot of people who used to get the train in 12 or so minutes to find an alternative to spending an hour either way on the tram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Given that Rochdale station is inconvenient to get to and not exactly in the heart of commuter-belt country I would expect a lot of people who used to get the train in 12 or so minutes to find an alternative to spending an hour either way on the tram. yes they will they will get the direct train to manchester via moston hardly anybody will get the tram right through to manchester from rochdale unless there meeting someone enroute used to work at rochdale and very few used to travel right around the loop unless there was no trains via moston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) The Advertiser has a front page report on the stadium draft plan. It mentions the final consultation on Thursday, February 25 at the Lancaster Club, when the proposed masterplan for the whole site will be displayed for consideration. It calls it an open meeting from 3pm to 9pm to which local residents will be invited by leaflet. It sounds to me more like the same format as last week's consultation session with questions answered on a one-to-one basis, rather than a 'meeting'. Anyone who is unable to attend can email their opinion on the plans to enquiries@oldhamathletic.co.uk before February 25. http://www.oldhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/1...ics_new_stadium Two comments from Advertiser readers so far: It's got to be sold to me. Oldham isn't a brand I want myself or Failsworth to be associated with. However if the club and the Oldham Council can assure me that it will be good for the people of Failsworth, and it won't just be used one every fortnight, with the club sodding back off to Oldham after the game, I'm all for it. Will the club form ties with local business and schools in the area? We supposedly have a specialist sports college, will there be facilities that they can use? What facilities will it offer that isn't already available at the school? What jobs will it create for the people of Failsworth, they will go to the people of Failsworth right? Hopefully these are questions that will be answered on the 25th. Matthieu Williamson Having lived through the false dawns of Sports Park 2000, and other projects, I did not expect to be impressed with the latest plans. However, what a fantastic vision of Latics' future in Failsworth. The plans are well designed and compact, which should go some way to answering the objections of the small minority of local residents who are still opposed to Latics' planned move to a new stadium. The ball, if you pardon the expression, is now firmly at the feet of Oldham Council, who need to pass the imminent planning application and finally end Latics' 15 year quest for a new home. Forward to Failsworth! Mark59, Saddleworth The rarely wrong Chron also reports on the same subject. http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-fea...cs-look-forward Edited February 11, 2010 by Diego_Sideburns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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