Matt Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 You asked me where would the increased attendances come from with a North South scenario, here are some figures from gates this season.... I've used the away followings at Bury and Stockport as examples as they are the closest clubs to ourselves but in the second division. Bury v P Vale 1945 Rotherham 697 Accrington 687 Bradford C 1198 Stockport 1141 Chesterfield 318 Crewe 370 Stockport v Rotherham 711 Macclesfield 664 Bury 1083 Chesterfield 992 Crewe 555 Port Vale 1362 Oldham v Hudds 3665 Rochdale 1891 Notts C 695 Tranmere ?? 750 estimate Carlisle 630 (£2 Offer) but they usually bring in excess of 500 sometimes a lot more I'd rather have all of those than the following; Swindon 281 Brentford 199 Dagenham 110 Yeovil 168 Bristol R 219 Bournemouth 285 Leyton O 144 Colchester 177 Exeter 152 We've only had three away followings that have exceeded 400...Plymouth, Southampton and Posh. Thanks for those figures, and as expected it does little to promote the N/S divisions. Macc took 650 to Stockers? Not brilliant. It appears the teams that are doing well, or those with a bigger home crowd offer the most support, the Rochdale/Bury games would get more fans due to the nature of the tie. Interesting all the same, however it's still a non-starter. If only we could play all the teams within a 30 mile radius 20 times a year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Thanks for those figures, and as expected it does little to promote the N/S divisions. Macc took 650 to Stockers? Not brilliant. It appears the teams that are doing well, or those with a bigger home crowd offer the most support, the Rochdale/Bury games would get more fans due to the nature of the tie. Interesting all the same, however it's still a non-starter. If only we could play all the teams within a 30 mile radius 20 times a year... 4 leagues of 12 is probably the best "let's have lots of derbies" solution - the old Scottish 4 game against each other in a season model. After last night's attendance, where neither side's fans could muster up the energy to get off their arses for what, at the start of the season, was considered a "big match", I can't see the regionalised theory justifying itself too clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 model. After last night's attendance, where neither side's fans could muster up the energy to get off their arses for what, at the start of the season, was considered a "big match", I can't see the regionalised theory justifying itself too clearly. really? so lets just pretend it wouldnt have been around the 2500 mark if we were playing bornemouth then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 really? so lets just pretend it wouldnt have been around the 2500 mark if we were playing bornemouth then. Or Hartlepool. Or Scunthorpe. Or Lincoln. Or Tranmere. Or Rotherham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I reckon a league-wide co-operative structure is the answer. Wages would be like this: you get x amount as an apprentice, y amount if you're a former international striker on his way down the leagues and moving roughly in the direction of centre back, z amount if you're making a name for yourself and hoping one day to crack the big leagues, and so on. Same at every club in the league. Larger clubs could flex their wallets by allowing for a bonus system, also strictly regulated by the co-op. Like in John Lewis. ...who virtually invented the law of unintended consequences. The lower league problem isn't high player wages - high player wages and consequent financial pressures are a symptom of the problem, that being the vast financial rewards setting apart the top division and, to a lesser extent, the second. No club is forced to pay 'high' wages, they just choose to do so in the hope of attracting players to reach the riches that success pays these days (or just to maintain their current position amongst other big spenders chasing the dream). Indeed the leverage that 'greedy' players enjoy comes from the greed of clubs and many of their supporters. Besides, many of our players are on a joiner's wage. If it wasn't for the new culture of over-glamourised TV football we'd likely attract enough supporters to cover our wage bill and more comfortably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 really? so lets just pretend it wouldnt have been around the 2500 mark if we were playing bornemouth then. Ha,Rochdale our nearest club for however long it is (40 years?) since they last played us brought less than 2000 to BP.. We've had similar away followings in the recent past like Norwich and QPR. North and South leagues dont mean higher attendances, as some of the southern teams e.g. southampton would bring more than a team like macclesfield or Accy Stanley. Theres only a few games the players might need to stay over at that location e.g. Plymouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) Thanks for those figures, and as expected it does little to promote the N/S divisions. Macc took 650 to Stockers? Not brilliant. It appears the teams that are doing well, or those with a bigger home crowd offer the most support, the Rochdale/Bury games would get more fans due to the nature of the tie. Interesting all the same, however it's still a non-starter. If only we could play all the teams within a 30 mile radius 20 times a year... 'It appears the teams that are doing well, or those with a bigger home crowd offer the most support' Christ....how did you manage to work that one out!!!! That will always be the case.....when we are doing well we take 3000 to Huddersfield last season under Penney we took 500!! You are obviously dead against regionalisation and entitled to your opinion but 650 from Macc is 50% of their hardcore and is better than 110 from Dagenham!!!!! Teams like Norwich, Southampton and Charlton will always bring a few but only if they are up near the top....our crowds have dropped off dramatically over the last couple of seasons and one of the reasons is that we are in a league of mainly southern based teams. Regionalisation would not cure all the problems but it would increase revenue and would reduce costs and that's all I was saying!! Edited March 9, 2011 by oafc1955 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Share Posted March 9, 2011 Still virtually a 50/50 split on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SholverBlue Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) I vote yes. FA cup and Carling Cup Country wide. The League Regional, better games, better crowds. Edited March 9, 2011 by SholverBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte_Baby Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 It's odd that relatively few conference sides seem to get into trouble given that most of them are full time squads and the crowds are smaller. Maybe it's just less publicity but it could be that they are better managed than league clubs who so often have unrealistic ambitions and expectations. You would actually be suprised Chester, Halifax, Scarborough, canvey Island, Grays, Hornchurch, Nuneaton Sailsbury, Weymouth more recently Kidderminster pretty sure Crawley have also had money troubles in the past in the Conference the fact Altrincham went a couple of season without actually get relegated because of other teams folding or going into administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I'm shocked that so many people are in favour of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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