BP1960 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Is the captaincy affecting his game ?..he looks to be struggling when the chips are down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haribo_man Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 <br />Is the captaincy affecting his game ?..he looks to be struggling when the chips are down.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Like the rest of team? Not often you post anything positive BP but agree Furman was poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Bit early to judge Furman but Diamond's a more natural choice for captain, I have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 10, 2011 Author Share Posted August 10, 2011 <br /><br /><br /> Like the rest of team? Not often you post anything positive BP but agree Furman was poor. Personally I think Diamond would make a better captain and let Furman get on with his job, however taking if off him now may be counter productive so we will have to see how he handles it in the next month or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Is the captaincy affecting his game ?..he looks to be struggling when the chips are down. This board is doing my head in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haribo_man Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 <br />Personally I think Diamond would make a better captain and let Furman get on with his job, however taking if off him now may be counter productive so we will have to see how he handles it in the next month or so.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Definately, Diamond has shown himself to be a real leader and would be my natural choice however it had already been handed to Dean. The communication was all over the place when Zander went off. I would pick an opportunity such as an injury/suspension to hand it over or it may even have to wait until next season (providing we are able to extend his deal) Let Furman concentrate on buzzing around and let Diamond instruct from the back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 10, 2011 Author Share Posted August 10, 2011 This board is doing my head in Take two paracetamols and come back after the Yeovil game for further treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) I thought Furman was ok on Saturday and half decent last night - better in the first half, but Wesolowski tired a little after the break. A settled partnership in the middle will help. Fine as captain. Edited August 10, 2011 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Bit early to judge Furman but Diamond's a more natural choice for captain, I have to say. Exactly; it's early days; really early days…………Diamond does look to be a leader though. That's a result as we lacked them last season; and we still do this season too. I do however think PD maybe should have waited a tad longer before naming Furman (it was pre-season and who is captain during that period is almost of no consequence); as for me, the natural captain choice in our team is Zander Diamond. I think Furman is more of "example captain" rather than a shouter / organiser type (if you get me?)……..we're a very quiet, very young side though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshaw Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Exactly; it's early days; really early days…………Diamond does look to be a leader though. That's a result as we lacked them last season; and we still do this season too. I do however think PD maybe should have waited a tad longer before naming Furman (it was pre-season and who is captain during that period is almost of no consequence); as for me, the natural captain choice in our team is Zander Diamond. I think Furman is more of "example captain" rather than a shouter / organiser type (if you get me?)……..we're a very quiet, very young side though. I think the word you are looking for is CLUB CAPTAIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 I think the word you are looking for is CLUB CAPTAIN Nope - I was meaning that Furman's style of Captaincy seems to be 'do as I do' in terms of how he plays the game; rather than him being a real vocal leader / shouter / organiser etc. But as you were..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Nope - I was meaning that Furman's style of Captaincy seems to be 'do as I do' in terms of how he plays the game; rather than him being a real vocal leader / shouter / organiser etc. But as you were..... That's what a Club Captain is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haribo_man Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 <br />That's what a Club Captain is! <img src='http://www.owtb.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/default/petesake.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br /><br /><br /><br /> I think you have missed the point Sly is making here. Furman isn't a captain in the Gregan mould where he would organise the troops from the back, being vocal and dishing out the odd bollocking whereas Furman is a roll the sleeves up, get stuck in and come on team follow me in doing this captain. I see Diamond being very similar to Gregan in this respect. I think we all know what a club captain is.... now where is that face palm??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 <br /><br /><br /> I think you have missed the point Sly is making here. Furman isn't a captain in the Gregan mould where he would organise the troops from the back, being vocal and dishing out the odd bollocking whereas Furman is a roll the sleeves up, get stuck in and come on team follow me in doing this captain. I see Diamond being very similar to Gregan in this respect. I think we all know what a club captain is.... now where is that face palm??? Crossing wires here, but - to me: Club Captain - leads by example, sets the tone for the team, unites the players, can be their confidant and can go to the Boss and feedback. - Furman. Captain (on the field) - shouts and balls and gets people in the right place at the right time. I saw Furman doing that a lot against Sheff U at set plays and such - but I agree that someone like Diamond will be better suited to it and perhaps that should be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Can't help but feel we haven't solved the issue of lack of experience if anything we have a younger team than last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) Crossing wires here, but - to me: Club Captain - leads by example, sets the tone for the team, unites the players, can be their confidant and can go to the Boss and feedback. - Furman. Captain (on the field) - shouts and balls and gets people in the right place at the right time. I saw Furman doing that a lot against Sheff U at set plays and such - but I agree that someone like Diamond will be better suited to it and perhaps that should be considered. We're sort of getting at the same thing here aren't we? For me its down to a personality type. I would always go for the shouter / organiser & leader to be the on-field Captain. The Club Captain tends to be given to the most experienced player at the club or the one who has been at the club the longest (in my experience) Furman is neither of those IMO (& this isnt me bashing him at all before anyone jumps on that) and I think PD was a little hasty in giving him the arm-band. Gregan was both on-field captain and club captain in his time here - because he was the natural choice for both roles because; well - it was Gregan. As things stand - for me; Diamond should be the on-field captain and club captain should be Chris Taylor. Furman isn't a natural captain IMO; and I saw nothing in the 2 games so far to suggest he's been the right choice. Now, I'm well aware he can grow into the role - but for me he's been given it because he has the work-ethic on the pitch and that's it………. Now where's the face palm so I can give it you back - you seem to have chucked yours away……… Edited August 11, 2011 by slystallone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 We're sort of getting at the same thing here aren't we? For me its down to a personality type. I would always go for the shouter / organiser & leader to be the on-field Captain. The Club Captain tends to be given to the most experienced player at the club or the one who has been at the club the longest (in my experience) Furman is neither of those IMO (& this isnt me bashing him at all before anyone jumps on that) and I think PD was a little hasty in giving him the arm-band. Gregan was both on-field captain and club captain in his time here - because he was the natural choice for both roles because; well - it was Gregan. As things stand - for me; Diamond should be the on-field captain and club captain should be Chris Taylor. Furman isn't a natural captain IMO; and I saw nothing in the 2 games so far to suggest he's been the right choice. Now, I'm well aware he can grow into the role - but for me he's been given it because he has the work-ethic on the pitch and that's it………. Now where's the face palm so I can give it you back - you seem to have chucked yours away……… Facepalm is : petesake : without the spaces between the : and the word mate - don't overuse it, now! I agree, we expect the same thing from the players - perhaps differ in that I think Furman's a good choice. He's a natural leader around the club. Intelligent guy, well grounded and rounded individual and I've never heard a bad word said against him. Taylor on the other hand is petulant at times and certainly not the sort of person I'd expect to go to Dickov with a calm head to express a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) Facepalm is : petesake : without the spaces between the : and the word mate - don't overuse it, now! I agree, we expect the same thing from the players - perhaps differ in that I think Furman's a good choice. He's a natural leader around the club. Intelligent guy, well grounded and rounded individual and I've never heard a bad word said against him. Taylor on the other hand is petulant at times and certainly not the sort of person I'd expect to go to Dickov with a calm head to express a concern. Ah, cheers; here you go then>>>>>>>> Zander Diamond has shown himself to be the teams natural leader and is pretty much the sides 'on-pitch' captain in all but name now for me - I still stand by PD being hasty in giving it to Furman; regardless of him being a nice lad or not. Anyway; let's move on eh? Edited August 11, 2011 by slystallone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haribo_man Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Yes, I'm not feeling Taylor either if what you hear is to be believed (hard to talk to etc) obviously I can't vouch for any rapport he may have with his team mates. Diamond hands down for the captaincy on the pitch though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonesyOAFC Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Having either an experienced midfielder, or a player like that Spanish lad, would be more beneficial. He was having to play far too deep on saturday, it'd be better to see someone else taking care of defensive responsibilities, and Furman pushing on and linking up with the strikers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 We're sort of getting at the same thing here aren't we? For me its down to a personality type. I would always go for the shouter / organiser & leader to be the on-field Captain. The Club Captain tends to be given to the most experienced player at the club or the one who has been at the club the longest (in my experience) Furman is neither of those IMO (& this isnt me bashing him at all before anyone jumps on that) and I think PD was a little hasty in giving him the arm-band. Gregan was both on-field captain and club captain in his time here - because he was the natural choice for both roles because; well - it was Gregan. As things stand - for me; Diamond should be the on-field captain and club captain should be Chris Taylor. Furman isn't a natural captain IMO; and I saw nothing in the 2 games so far to suggest he's been the right choice. Now, I'm well aware he can grow into the role - but for me he's been given it because he has the work-ethic on the pitch and that's it………. Now where's the face palm so I can give it you back - you seem to have chucked yours away……… There two types of captain on the pitch: The Leader - a captain in the John Terry mould who cajoles and encourages the players around him - tends to be very vocal and directive The Leads by example - a captain in the David Beckham mould who plays to his absolute limit, chasing and harrying - puts in a good shift and leads by example... I would put Zander in the former and Deano in the latter category Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haribo_man Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 But which would you put the armband on Big Dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 But which would you put the armband on Big Dog? No contest for me - it's the diamond geezer every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamandy1 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Furman is a good club captain but Diamond has already shown he has the ability to be the perfect team captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjonesyyoafc Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 <br /><br /><br /> Definately, Diamond has shown himself to be a real leader and would be my natural choice however it had already been handed to Dean. The communication was all over the place when Zander went off. I would pick an opportunity such as an injury/suspension to hand it over or it may even have to wait until next season (providing we are able to extend his deal) Let Furman concentrate on buzzing around and let Diamond instruct from the back I agree, Diamond shows real leadership and the team looked out of shape when he was gone, he should be captain and let furman concentrate on being the top player that he is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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