palmer1 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) I thought there would already be a thread on this but it obviously does depend on which players make mistakes these days? First one: centre half, Mvoto? or Byrne? stood flat footed and left his man in 10 yards of space in the box to finish again? it wasnt Tarky thats for sure 2nd Goals: good goalkeeper but how many mistakes does he get away with before a perfectly good solid keeper like Bouzanis gets the shirt for a while Edited September 15, 2012 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) I thought there would already be a thread on this but it obviously does depend on which players that make mistakes these days? First one: centre half, Mvoto? or Byrne? stood flat footed and left his man in 10 yards of space in the box to finish again? it wasnt Tarky thats for sure 2nd Goals: good goalkeeper but how many mistakes does he get away with before a perfectly good solid keeper like Bouzanis gets the shirt for a while Thought Grounds was ball watching for the first, but Byrne was pulled out of position thinking he was a right back. As for the second goal Montano was chasing back and should have got a tackle in, not sure if he'd been previously booked so didn't risk it - then again where was the left back ?...and without doubt it was a feeble effort from Cisak, he had enough time to realise the danger. Besides some major errors a lot of shots have bounced off his body this season and lucky not to have finished up in the net, on the other side of the coin he has made some stupendous saves. Edited September 15, 2012 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 First one was a comms failure - both the defenders thought the other would be dealing with it. Second was a bit of a fluke, but keeper should have done better for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictic Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I thought there would already be a thread on this but it obviously does depend on which players make mistakes these days? First one: centre half, Mvoto? or Byrne? stood flat footed and left his man in 10 yards of space in the box to finish again? it wasnt Tarky thats for sure From what I saw it wasn't Byrne or M'Voto's fault rather no one tracked their scorers run. Anyone know where Grounds was, maybe still in the dressing room ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I thought there would already be a thread on this but it obviously does depend on which players that make mistakes these days? First one: centre half, Mvoto? or Byrne? stood flat footed and left his man in 10 yards of space in the box to finish again? it wasnt Tarky thats for sure 2nd Goals: good goalkeeper but how many mistakes does he get away with before a perfectly good solid keeper like Bouzanis gets the shirt for a while 1st goal: M'voto was flat footed but he'd have needed a step ladder to head it, Grounds should have been closer. Cisak might have claimed it and someone from Midfield could have tracked his run. 4 slight errors 1 goal. 2nd goal: Grounds overlapping when we loose possession, Montano tracked his man back well but wasn't quick enough to catch a fresh quick winger with 80 minutes in his legs. Same fresh winger crosses the ball and if he had crossed it properly it would have been dealt with. Luckily for him he miss hits his cross and it loops over a well-positioned Cisak (for the intended cross) and goes in off the post. 99% of the time he crosses it properly and it gets dealt with, 0.9% of the time his miss-hit cross goes out of play, today was the 0.1% when his miss-hit cross went in. If the linesman hadn't got the "offside" goal wrong, Campbell-Ryce's overly long celebration for a fluke goal would have cost them the game. It is a funny old game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) Thought Grounds was ball watching for the first, but Byrne was pulled out of position thinking he was a right back. As for the second goal Montano was chasing back and should have got a tackle in, not sure if he'd been previously booked so didn't risk it - then again where was the left back ?...and without doubt it was a feeble effort from Cisak, he had enough time to realise the danger. Besides some major errors a lot of shots have bounced off his body this season and lucky not to have finished up in the net, on the other side of the coin he has made some stupendous saves. If Montano has tackled him he would have fouled him as he wasn't close enough and as he had already been booked and as any foul should have been a yellow card he should have got sent-off. Edited September 15, 2012 by rudemedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted September 15, 2012 Author Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) I will have to see it again, but Cisak was not well placed or else he would have dealt with it he is allowed to move his feet and miss hit cross or not it traveled a long way - he was under no pressure and could have adjusted himself to the flight of the ball after 1 viewing at the game it looked very poor, I may change my mind when I see it later but I doubt it Edited September 15, 2012 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykelatic1 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 My gut feeling at the time was that furman or wesolowski should have been tracking back - the scorer was a midfielder who sauntered in and sidefooted home....poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I will have to see it again, but Cisak was not well placed or else he would have dealt with it he is allowed to move his feet and miss hit cross or not it traveled a long way - he was under no pressure and could have adjusted himself to the flight of the ball after 1 viewing at the game it looked very poor, I may change my mind when I see it later but I doubt it IIRC any threat from a properly hit cross was near post, Cisak was in a good position to deal with any near post cross. Therefore IIRC he was in a good position. It may be one of those things where if that was a consolation goal we would all be putting it down to what it was a miss-hit cross turning into a flukey goal. As it put a 10-man opposition in front in a game we drew, people are looking to point fingers at any potential mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break The Silence Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 My gut feeling at the time was that furman or wesolowski should have been tracking back - the scorer was a midfielder who sauntered in and sidefooted home....poor Fantastic avatar sykelatic1, Powerage is still my favourite AC/DC album by far. Gone Shootin' is a tune and a half... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted September 15, 2012 Author Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) IIRC any threat from a properly hit cross was near post, Cisak was in a good position to deal with any near post cross. Therefore IIRC he was in a good position. It may be one of those things where if that was a consolation goal we would all be putting it down to what it was a miss-hit cross turning into a flukey goal. As it put a 10-man opposition in front in a game we drew, people are looking to point fingers at any potential mistakes. in regards to Cisak may be I am but i want them mentioned because due to the fact he is obviously a talented keeper but a lot of his errors seem to be just dismissed and unfortunately he is making quite a few granted he may be getting away with some of them but he needs to tighten up his game imo he will go onto to good things, but he is not as good as some make out....at the moment Edited September 15, 2012 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 in regards to Cisak may be I am but i want them mentioned because due to the fact he is obviously a talented keeper but a lot of his errors seem to be just dismissed and unfortunately he is making quite a few granted he may be getting away with some of them but he needs to tighten up his game imo he will go onto to good things, but he is not as good as some make out....at the moment Agree with most of that, Cisak does make quite a few errors, lots of GKs do. If he really wants to go up a level(s), which he should do, then he has to reduce his errors, quite a few of which can be put down to poor concentration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykelatic1 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) Fantastic avatar sykelatic1, Powerage is still my favourite AC/DC album by far. Gone Shootin' is a tune and a half... Agreed mate ...all songs classic..never tired if listening to it. Edited September 15, 2012 by sykelatic1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatchLatics Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I blame Tarky to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjonesyyoafc Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Blame Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoafc Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 From what i've just seen, grounds seems to be on his heels for the first, the second is a freak imo. Not sure that was a sending off either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedOwl Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Id drop cisak. bouz is just as good and deserves a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Id drop cisak. bouz is just as good and deserves a go. Iplayer 42:07 in for our game. Benefit of the doubt o Cisak IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Grounds had a poor game. He is much better than this. First goal was ball watching and Grounds was at fault. 2nd was a freak can't blame Cisak. Lets be positive we have two good goalkeepers. Two points lost - how will we throw it away on Tuesday? No seriously there is the makings of a top league one side. Croft and Montano did everything we needed and Baxter took control. If we play with more freedom the errors will go - concentrating too much is as bad as too little. They have lacked awareness and the pass back to Cisak is wrongly the default choice - coaching is still wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 If Grounds doesn't do the business against Scunthorpe there is the option of playing Connor Brown at left full back in the following match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 If Grounds doesn't do the business against Scunthorpe there is the option of playing Connor Brown at left full back in the following match. From the small amount i've seen of him, he looks very right footed. I'm not a fan of playing a right footer at LB. Even the demi-God Kieran Lee looked awful when played at LB. IMO leave Grounds where he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) From the small amount i've seen of him, he looks very right footed. I'm not a fan of playing a right footer at LB. Even the demi-God Kieran Lee looked awful when played at LB. IMO leave Grounds where he is. Its on his profile Sly he can play left back, I agree with Grounds for the time being, but he looks to lack a bit of umpth and Brown would be a good option with overlap pace on both flanks. Edited September 17, 2012 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I am undecided on Grounds, I always think he looks just a bit off the pace of the game but I think it could be just the way he moves rather than his effort or ability will give him a few more games to win me over. The thing that worries me about Cisak is he doesnt collect enough crosses from set pieces which is why we let in so many goals from them rather than his errors (which i feel happen to most keepers at this level). It could just be me but I feel the opposition keepers collect a lot of our balls into the box from our set pieces but Cisak rarely returns the favour. Unless we are just unlucky and the opposition are all whipping in top quality set pieces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Its on his profile Sly he can play left back, I agree with Grounds for the time being, but he looks to lack a bit of umpth and Brown would be a good option with overlap pace on both flanks. I know it's on his profile as he can play LB - i'm saying i'd prefer him not too. I've always felt you lose too much balance playing a right footed player at LB. IMO it's a specialist position; and really should only go to left footed players. Whenever I 'go off on one' about this; my mates always throw in Dennis Irwin, but i always argue that Irwin was a different beast; as although he switched flanks, he was just as good with his left as he was with his natural right. I think Grounds just needs a few more games to fully get into the swing of things with us, I think he's a decent signing for a League One LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehobbit Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I think Grounds is Paul Black V1.2 Bit bigger physically, bit faster, bit better in the air but still poor on the ball (count how many times he passes the ball to the opposition) so no real improvement. Jury still out for me - if hes on more than Black that we have dropped a bit of a clanger cause he doesnt offer that much more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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