nzlatic Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Me? I favour anything that promotes a high pressing / high tempo game plan; with supporting runners joining the attacks, whilst keeping 4 at the back (im not a fan of 3 CBs, 2 wing backs) Totally agree with this. Teams who play this way, do well. Teams that don't (England), don't. I'm really surprised that we don't to be honest, hasn't LJ even talked about wanting us to play like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 It has whenever I've played in that formation But surely we are talking a few notches up from that-with all due respect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) We, as fans, all have our preffered formations and tactics. So too does LJ. And right now, the general thoughts on here appears to be that the 2 differ? LJ appears to be going with the 4-5-1 formation. It can be tarted up as 4-1-3-1-1 ifthat floats your boat, but its not; its a 4-5-1. The arguement right now seems to be we have the players that suit that formation, and only that one. Its the one that was played in the majority of the 10 game season finishing run; and its the only one to be played in pre-season so far. Me? I favour anything that promotes a high pressing / high tempo game plan; with supporting runners joining the attacks, whilst keeping 4 at the back (im not a fan of 3 CBs, 2 wing backs) I liked Pochettino's Southampton tactics and formation - which didnt really move from the 4-2-3-1 set-up. I also liked the way both Chile and Algeria set up at the World Cup, again, they flitted between a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-3-3 depeding on the state of the game. IMO, we have the players here to set up & start the season in a 4-2-3-1; with hopefully some better quality players signed up before the window shuts to drop into the side when they (hopefully) arrive. Chubs B Wilson Llera (Kusunga). J Wilson. Mills Kelly. Dieng Winchester. Philliskirk. Jones JCH Room to drop Jones back in place of Dieng if / when we sign an attacking midfielder / winger....and room for JCH to drop out if /when a proven striker is signed. The likes of Lockwood, Brown, Mellor, Morgan-Smith, Gros, Turner, Bove et all provide the rest of the matchday squad and give options from the bench or for as / when injuries strike. Plus them space in the squad for any new arrivals who may arrive. That's what i'd play. That's what i'd look to bring in; with a high pressing game; and a high backline. Take the games to the opposition, especially at home, and start to stamp our mark right from the kickoff with a positive attacking mindset. Away from home, the 4-2-3-1 easily becomes LJ's favoured straight 4-5-1 formation by dropping back the advanced "3". We can then still play a high pressing game; but look to take some of last seasons 10-game run mentallity into that, and away from home; play a more counter-attacking game. I would hope pre-season would be used to trial various systems of play. It hasnt so far, in games anyway. I still can't see what B Wilson or Mills have done to justify a place ahead of Brown, who IMO has been exceptional in pre season games. One player who needs to pull his finger out is JCH, who has appeared lethargic to me. Edited July 22, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC0AFC Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I still can't see what B Wilson or Mills have done to justify a place ahead of Brown, who IMO has been exceptional in pre season games. One player who needs to pull his finger out is JCH, who has appeared lethargic to me. agree with you about brown, and can see where you're coming from with JCH... because he's ran about a LOT less then he was doing last season, i think there's reason behind it though! i reckon LJ has asked him to use his effort efficiently instead of wasting it, although it's not been very effective yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Me? I favour anything that promotes a high pressing / high tempo game plan. I would hope pre-season would be used to trial various systems of play. It hasnt so far, in games anyway. I'm in favour of whatever syatem gets us the most points. People can like it or not, but the way we ended 2013/14 got us points. More points than at any other time. So I fully understand why LJ wants to stick with it, however.. Your last point re: trying other formations in pre season is in my opinion spot on. Personally I think we lack pace with the ball. Someone to take a player on (and someone to put it in the net) Whether the pace comes from out wide or through thr middle, I want to see someone brought in who is rapid. Someone to stretch the opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The plan is for Dayton to do something clever and JCH to score. If that fails we are fooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Surely either Mills or the striker in front of him will be expected to get well forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Ahem................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrnes boots Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The plan is for Dayton to do something clever and JCH to score. If that fails we are fooked. Dayton will have to stay on his feet though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC0AFC Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 3-5-2 in full flow tonight... Lockwood llera Wilson with Wilson and mills attacking full backs! Mellor infront of the back three, winchester and Kelly the two creators! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markspark92 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Maybe LJ read this thread before tonight's game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Maybe LJ read this thread before tonight's game He did, he sent me a direct message thanking me for my input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 He did, he sent me a direct message thanking me for my input Has he sent you another banning you from BP now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Matt Chambers said in tonights Chron the formation was 3-4-1-2 and mentioned Gros as the sole main striker. How does that equate to 2 up front ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Matt Chambers said in tonights Chron the formation was 3-4-1-2 and mentioned Gros as the sole main striker. How does that equate to 2 up front ? If it is confusing us and the reporter imagine how the players are managing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 But we are not paid as our job to understand it. If I was practising midweek and learning formations/ tactics I'm sure I would pick it up pretty quickly. These are human beings we're talking about not chimps. Learn your role in the team and fulfill it otherwise your not needed here would be my message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 But we are not paid as our job to understand it. If I was practising midweek and learning formations/ tactics I'm sure I would pick it up pretty quickly. These are human beings we're talking about not chimps. Learn your role in the team and fulfill it otherwise your not needed here would be my message Have you ever tried coaching a sports team? Just look at England's cricketers pulling and hooking when we only needed 100 off 30 overs! Brainless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Not that I want to get into a debate about cricket (although I agree) we need to not pick the players who can't follow simple instructions like we did with Schmeltz. If only the England selectors had the balls of LJ instead of just picking the same failures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Haha I think I got away with not discussing cricket....... Much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Have you ever tried coaching a sports team? Just look at England's cricketers pulling and hooking when we only needed 100 off 30 overs! Brainless I often wonder why go the expense of batting and bowling coaches, the England players seem to go worse after all the scientific analysis of their techniques. I noticed Newcastle had some kind of SatNav device attached to the back of their shirts, I assume to work out how many million miles they had run. On second thoughts LJ could attach SatNavs to the Latics strikers shirts and set them in the direction of the opposition penalty area. Edited July 23, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Dowie employed a 3-5-2 very effectively in his time as manager. But he did so with far better players, particularly far better defenders - Armstrong, Hall, Hill, Beharall, Haining, etc... We don't have that sort of quality in our squad now and for that reason, I would be inclined to keep it simple and play 4-4-2 or some variant thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Dowie employed a 3-5-2 very effectively in his time as manager. But he did so with far better players, particularly far better defenders - Armstrong, Hall, Hill, Beharall, Haining, etc... We don't have that sort of quality in our squad now and for that reason, I would be inclined to keep it simple and play 4-4-2 or some variant thereof. If we had Lanzoni as the right sided of the 3, Tarky in the Centre, Grounds on the left and Korey dropping in to fill in-it would work! Oh dear they have all gone! So I totally agree! Edited July 23, 2014 by ChaddySmoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Dowie employed a 3-5-2 very effectively in his time as manager. But he did so with far better players, particularly far better defenders - Armstrong, Hall, Hill, Beharall, Haining, etc... We don't have that sort of quality in our squad now and for that reason, I would be inclined to keep it simple and play 4-4-2 or some variant thereof. I think you might get a few on here questioning the quality of Beharall and Haining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC0AFC Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I think you might get a few on here questioning the quality of Beharall and Haining. definitely beharall, i liked haining though... wouldn't say he's as good as any of our 3 centre backs currently though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I think you might get a few on here questioning the quality of Beharall and Haining. Haining was tremendous when he emerged that season on the back of Hill's injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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