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  1. 1. If the election was today, who would you vote for ?

    • Labour
      70
    • Conservative
      58
    • Liberal Democrats
      27
    • UK Independence Party
      12
    • Green Party
      5
    • British National Party
      21
    • Independent Candidate
      0
    • Other
      6
    • I am not going to vote
      19

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Matt John Sheridan

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If the Election took place today who would you vote for ?

 

Might re-run the poll a few days before the election to see if the campaigning changes anyones minds.

 

*if you want me to add a party then just let me know or vote other

Might be an idea to ask the mods to move it into the main forum for best exposure, they've done it before on the big topics. It'll be worth it.

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Lookers_Carl Rick Holden

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Might be an idea to ask the mods to move it into the main forum for best exposure, they've done it before on the big topics. It'll be worth it.

 

Aye for a topic as big as this I don;t mind putting it in the main forum as a one off (this the last time we had a general debate in the main forum was the one on the congestion charge was it not)

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oafc0000 John Sheridan

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Aye for a topic as big as this I don;t mind putting it in the main forum as a one off (this the last time we had a general debate in the main forum was the one on the congestion charge was it not)

 

Yeah and considering it is still going to happen etc etc I think I have to accept Lesslover was right :wink:

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opinions4u Andy Ritchie

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So, as things stand, on a representative vote of 15, the Tories will dramatically take both Oldham seats with previously unseen swings, but a hung Parliament is inevitable with the BNP holding the balance of power in the nation.

 

<stops doing Peter Snow impression>

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Matt John Sheridan

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Aye for a topic as big as this I don;t mind putting it in the main forum as a one off (this the last time we had a general debate in the main forum was the one on the congestion charge was it not)

Cheers Carl.

 

 

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OldhamSheridan Rick Holden

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People are seriously going to vote for the BNP? :shock:

 

I wish it was a protest vote (as it is the perfect protest vote), but I suspect it isn't.

 

Part of me is annoyed. But the realist in my head looks at why. There is a generation of deprived white voters who have been abandoned. Non-working or low wage working, Labour abandoned them and sold its values to win the election (or is that New labour?). I honestly cannot blame for these people for voting the party that gives most to them. I'd suggest they look at the Liberals policies and vote them if that is the case (honestly I'm not a LD), as they've stepped into the Labour vacuum. But you do have to look why the BNP is successful in places rather than just ridicule people for voting that way.

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seasidelatic Les Pogliacomi

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The perfect protest vote ideally wouldn't be for a racist party and more along the lines of the Green party (God forbid) but that's a different debate.

 

The BNP haven't stepped into the Labour vacuum at all, instead pandering to the 'immigrants get a free house/car/bag of cash' opinion that people like John Gaunt and Daily Mail journos like to promote as gospel.

 

The BNP are voted for in areas like Burnley and Oldham because there's a mentality of 'them and us' in the minds of far too many White people.

 

The idea that voting for the BNP is a 'protest vote' is just a screen for those people who do vote BNP to not have to admit to being racist. When the economy is falling to pieces its easy for a far-right party to gain support by pointing fingers at ethnic minorities - much like the Nazis did in 1930s Germany.

 

The similarities are really quite startling <_<

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ste1987 Earl Barrett

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The perfect protest vote ideally wouldn't be for a racist party and more along the lines of the Green party (God forbid) but that's a different debate.

 

The BNP haven't stepped into the Labour vacuum at all, instead pandering to the 'immigrants get a free house/car/bag of cash' opinion that people like John Gaunt and Daily Mail journos like to promote as gospel.

 

The BNP are voted for in areas like Burnley and Oldham because there's a mentality of 'them and us' in the minds of far too many White people.

 

The idea that voting for the BNP is a 'protest vote' is just a screen for those people who do vote BNP to not have to admit to being racist. When the economy is falling to pieces its easy for a far-right party to gain support by pointing fingers at ethnic minorities - much like the Nazis did in 1930s Germany.

 

The similarities are really quite startling <_<

 

Spot on...

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OldhamSheridan Rick Holden

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The perfect protest vote ideally wouldn't be for a racist party and more along the lines of the Green party (God forbid) but that's a different debate.

 

The BNP haven't stepped into the Labour vacuum at all, instead pandering to the 'immigrants get a free house/car/bag of cash' opinion that people like John Gaunt and Daily Mail journos like to promote as gospel.

 

The BNP are voted for in areas like Burnley and Oldham because there's a mentality of 'them and us' in the minds of far too many White people.

 

The idea that voting for the BNP is a 'protest vote' is just a screen for those people who do vote BNP to not have to admit to being racist. When the economy is falling to pieces its easy for a far-right party to gain support by pointing fingers at ethnic minorities - much like the Nazis did in 1930s Germany.

 

The similarities are really quite startling <_<

Answering bit by bit...

 

 

I'd say that voting for an abomination with little to no values is a far better protest vote than any Green Party vote. It gets noticed, which is all you are after. Did any Green Party folks make the EMP bunch? I have no idea. Why? Because no one gives a :censored:. Get a BNP guy almost elected and it is big news and people will look at why.

 

I think the BNP stepping into the former steps of labour is a half truth on my behalf. It is in areas like Oldham, Rochdale and such where they can focus on race. It isn't up here (Durham), where a foreigner is someone from the village beyond. But the fact remains that labour have abandoned their voters. I really wonder what will happen up here, as people are spitting feathers at being dumped on from a great height by the guys they trusted. They may go back to Labour in a close race, but I really do wonder.

 

There is no BNP in areas that have no ethnic minorities.

 

BNP voters are a long way from being Nazi's, and the sooner sensible people like yourself realise that the better. I don't agree with it, but they represent a large bunch of peoples views. I honestly don't think that it is a straight 'ship them out' policy amongst most of these voters. More a 'treat me fair' ideal. I think they're wrong on alot of things, but I argue with the positive discrimination run at the moment, and I suspect there are many housing issues which wind these folk up no end. Look at the causes - not the results.

 

 

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Snookmeister Earl Barrett

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Answering bit by bit...

 

 

I'd say that voting for an abomination with little to no values is a far better protest vote than any Green Party vote. It gets noticed, which is all you are after. Did any Green Party folks make the EMP bunch? I have no idea. Why? Because no one gives a :censored:. Get a BNP guy almost elected and it is big news and people will look at why.

 

I think the BNP stepping into the former steps of labour is a half truth on my behalf. It is in areas like Oldham, Rochdale and such where they can focus on race. It isn't up here (Durham), where a foreigner is someone from the village beyond. But the fact remains that labour have abandoned their voters. I really wonder what will happen up here, as people are spitting feathers at being dumped on from a great height by the guys they trusted. They may go back to Labour in a close race, but I really do wonder.

 

There is no BNP in areas that have no ethnic minorities.

 

BNP voters are a long way from being Nazi's, and the sooner sensible people like yourself realise that the better. I don't agree with it, but they represent a large bunch of peoples views. I honestly don't think that it is a straight 'ship them out' policy amongst most of these voters. More a 'treat me fair' ideal. I think they're wrong on alot of things, but I argue with the positive discrimination run at the moment, and I suspect there are many housing issues which wind these folk up no end. Look at the causes - not the results.

A well reasoned and thought out post. Makes a nice change from the usual frothing lefty rantings that are oh so popular on here.

 

Especially the comparison to Germany in the 30's!!!! Typical reactionary fashionable lefties!!! Hilarious!!!!

 

Can't remember seeing anyone getting their wages paid in a wheelbarrow last time I walked through Oldham.....

 

Edit: Oh, nearly forgot. Anyone that votes Labour will get exactly what they deserve......

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Dave_Og John Sheridan

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Answering bit by bit...

 

 

I'd say that voting for an abomination with little to no values is a far better protest vote than any Green Party vote. It gets noticed, which is all you are after. Did any Green Party folks make the EMP bunch? I have no idea. Why? Because no one gives a :censored:. Get a BNP guy almost elected and it is big news and people will look at why.

 

I think the BNP stepping into the former steps of labour is a half truth on my behalf. It is in areas like Oldham, Rochdale and such where they can focus on race. It isn't up here (Durham), where a foreigner is someone from the village beyond. But the fact remains that labour have abandoned their voters. I really wonder what will happen up here, as people are spitting feathers at being dumped on from a great height by the guys they trusted. They may go back to Labour in a close race, but I really do wonder.

 

There is no BNP in areas that have no ethnic minorities.

 

BNP voters are a long way from being Nazi's, and the sooner sensible people like yourself realise that the better. I don't agree with it, but they represent a large bunch of peoples views. I honestly don't think that it is a straight 'ship them out' policy amongst most of these voters. More a 'treat me fair' ideal. I think they're wrong on alot of things, but I argue with the positive discrimination run at the moment, and I suspect there are many housing issues which wind these folk up no end. Look at the causes - not the results.

 

 

 

I wouldn't have thought that many Germans who supported national socialism in its early days would have done so if they knew what was coming

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Dave_Og John Sheridan

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I would love any politician of any party (almost) to come up with a genuinely "BIG" idea. It's just the same fiddling around the edges from the lot of them - all as bad as each other.

 

For personal reasons I won't vote for my current MP as long as I have hole in my backside but he has a huge majority and doubtless will get back in. There can't be many MPs who have been in parliamant for over 30 years without holding a single ministerial post - junior or senior, government or shadow.

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oafc0000 John Sheridan

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Surprised to see the Torys getting so much backing...

 

I wonder if the working class now view them as a real choice who will understand and support them and their rights...

 

Or

 

is the average football fan now middle class?

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oafc0000 John Sheridan

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Anyone who thinks the BNP supporters aren't showing Nazi traits actually need to look into how and why the Nazi party rose to power. The reasons are very similar to why the BNP get votes.

 

Thankfully the BNP will never win in Oldham.

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