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alex 123 who lives in cape town told me grounds are only 10% built so they might be moved to germany etc but this is only a rumour

 

 

I hope not. That would have a terrible impact on the south african economy (and prestige) and for the game in Africa. Still, being purely selfish, it would be nice to hae it in europe, but Germany again? I suppose they're the ones who had it last ime and therefore best equipped. Could we host it?

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Actually, we are probably the country that it would be easiest to prepare for the world-cup.

 

We dont need any new stadia. With Webley, Millenium Stadium, Old Trafford, St James Park, Stamford Bridge, The Emirates etc. we could hold it fairly easy...

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Actually, we are probably the country that it would be easiest to prepare for the world-cup.

 

We dont need any new stadia. With Webley, Millenium Stadium, Old Trafford, St James Park, Stamford Bridge, The Emirates etc. we could hold it fairly easy...

 

And it would avoid the embarassment of failing to qualify. :England:

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alex 123 who lives in cape town told me grounds are only 10% built so they might be moved to germany etc but this is only a rumour

 

The Cape Town ground might only be 10% built but I'd imagine with 2 years to go it would still be ready in plenty of time. A lot of the grounds are being re-developed or already exist as Rugby stadia. You get this sort of rumour all the time whenever a competition is being hosted outside Germany and surprisingly the big contender for a replacement is always Germany. South Africa will be fine to host this and I look forward to going if i can get time off work and a ticket

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I dont think SA was fit to hold the thing in the first place, it was purely a 'political' award rather than one using the usual criteria.

I'd be surprised if they took it away now, very surprised. However there is a precedent - Columbia was set for the 1986 World Cup and they took that away and gave it to Mexico, I think it was done in '82 (might be wrong on the year).

IF it was moved at very short notice I think the US would be a shoe in.

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yep!

 

 

Further to the Columbia thing - from a quick scan of the net it would seem that the Columbians themselves fessed up they couldnt do it - there is no way the South Africans will do that. Things will have to be pretty f'd up over there for FIFA to take it away - it'd be political suicide for Blatter

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having been there 11 years ago,while on the england cricket tour for 3 months,things that stuck out for me where:

 

1/the blacks are still angry because all the promises they were given about reform haven't shown up.

2/rub up an afrikaan even slightly the wrong way..and that includes if you don't even know you are doing it...he won't punch you-he'll pull a gun out on you...really p*ss him off,he'll shoot you.

3/travel infilstructure was pathetic.

4/crime in some places is as common as seeing a pub in england-and no-one there bats an eyelid.

5/the locals in every town and city fall very firmly into 2 catagories: very very friendly,or very very evil.not like manchester..but x10

6/aparthied may be dead there,but racism is very much alive and kicking-especially in jo'burg,pretoria /northen areas.

7/the more south you go the nicer and more laid back everyone seems...jo'burg was a gangster movie.

8/sun city was brilliant..but the feeling that its so false(on a social issue scale)stayed lurking in my head.

9/expect to be questioned constantly on your feelings towards the blacks-and don't be surprised to be threatened if your views don't agree with the racists.

 

hopefully someone has been there since and could confirm any improvements/declines

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having been there 11 years ago,while on the england cricket tour for 3 months,things that stuck out for me where:

 

1/the blacks are still angry because all the promises they were given about reform haven't shown up.

2/rub up an afrikaan even slightly the wrong way..and that includes if you don't even know you are doing it...he won't punch you-he'll pull a gun out on you...really p*ss him off,he'll shoot you.

3/travel infilstructure was pathetic.

4/crime in some places is as common as seeing a pub in england-and no-one there bats an eyelid.

5/the locals in every town and city fall very firmly into 2 catagories: very very friendly,or very very evil.not like manchester..but x10

6/aparthied may be dead there,but racism is very much alive and kicking-especially in jo'burg,pretoria /northen areas.

7/the more south you go the nicer and more laid back everyone seems...jo'burg was a gangster movie.

8/sun city was brilliant..but the feeling that its so false(on a social issue scale)stayed lurking in my head.

9/expect to be questioned constantly on your feelings towards the blacks-and don't be surprised to be threatened if your views don't agree with the racists.

 

hopefully someone has been there since and could confirm any improvements/declines

I was living there at the time and can pretty much confirm this although didn't experience it. I think having lived there a while and knowing how to handle things helped a lot. If you are thinking of going, I would recommend doing so with someone who knows the place or going on a crappy guided or escorted tour. Public transport is rubbish (well it was). Joburg is rough and Cape Town isn't too bad. Having not been there for 10 years it may be different now but hearing from mates over there I doubt it.

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Actually, we are probably the country that it would be easiest to prepare for the world-cup.

 

We dont need any new stadia. With Webley, Millenium Stadium, Old Trafford, St James Park, Stamford Bridge, The Emirates etc. we could hold it fairly easy...

You've missed the newly completed Boundary Park off your list :grin:

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I house share with a saffer from Joburg (I believe Inspiral Carpet will remember having met her) – she certainly doesn’t speak well of the public transport. She said most people still drink drive out there because they think that’s safer than getting a cab – never mind catching a bus. I’m sure the event will go ahead regardless, remember the Athens Olympics, the facilities were said to resemble Layer Road a week before it was due to start, and there is no way they will let SA be portrayed as a shambles, even though in many ways it is. I’ve met a lot of saffers professionally, I’ve got to say that it takes a while not to hate them, what to a SA male is normal conversation sounds to me like someone trying as hard as possible to be ignorant and rude. I’d also agree that racism is a subject better not mentioned if you can help – I think they get sick of the subject, if they aren’t bigoted themselves they get fed up with a lot of people who assume they are, and if they are bigoted they take it badly if you aren’t. The only thing that could really balls the WC up would be if the political and economic situation there goes right down the pan, which you can’t entirely rule out the way the ANC seems to be going at the moment.

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I'm sure she is still thinking of me. I've moved on though I'm afraid. She had her chance and blew it. :blush:

She had her chance and did no such thing. Oh well, I’m sure she could have used a shoulder to cry on when her Yorkshire/Convict boyfriend’s time is up and he gets deported, but she’ll find someone else to help I’m sure.

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I was In South Africa last summer (Cape town to be precise) and the impression I got of it was that it doesn't matter how much freedom the non-whites have they are still poor (with some exceptions) and some of them are very very poor (living in shanty towns and the like). Crime is in the main committed by the poor and the rich (mainly white) people have a lot of freedom to defend themselves by any means necessary most decent sized homes in the Cape Town have very strong security and there are a lot of guns/rifles about. Cape Town is not a nice city and a lot of it is a no go area around dark or if it is quiet. Its a city where its important to know exactly where you are at all times (as you don't want to end up in the wrong bit). Jo'burg and Durban are apparently worse and most people who go to Jo'burg don't venture out too much simply because its not safe. The people on the whole are friendly and its dirt cheap for food and drink. Apart from the big cities South Africa is a very rural country and its also quite big (took me over 2 hours to go from Jo'burg to Cape Town by plane) and as such it won't have good public transport even in the cities. But cabs are quite cheap (and i felt safer in them than i've felt in some cabs in england). Aside from the cities i've mentioned most areas are on the same scale as England when it comes to crime. One good thing though is I can't see England having problem with hooligans as if they have any sense (alas most don't) they won't go as they will get their asses handed to them by the locals.

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