garcon Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 He said that in the event of a hung parliament the Lib Dems would not enter into a coalition agreement with either party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 18, 2010 Author Share Posted March 18, 2010 He said that in the event of a hung parliament the Lib Dems would not enter into a coalition agreement with either party. I doubt he will stick to that. I think they will hold talks about sharing power. How likely they are to succeed is another question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I think ours is at a level where you can argue its competition for seats as much as it is corruption... Its not at a level which causes me to lose sleep. Such as the level of the top two parties being in the pockets of tax dodging billionnaires or unions? No, nothing to see there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 There will be huge pressure on Clegg from both sides. The trouble is that any coalition is likely to split the future Lib Dem vote. There are many Lib Dem voters who would never forgive a coalition with the Conservatives, and - particularly with Iraq in mind - very nearly as many (including me) who would never forgive a coalition with Labour (and Gordon Brown in particular). Clegg says he has no interest in playing kingmaker. Ideally he would like to give his party's backing on a policy by policy basis - unfortunately I can't see that working. The other factor is the complete inability of Gordon Brown to work with anyone. He can't even work with people in his own party - the chance of him sharing power with anyone else is nil. If Labour managed a minority win he'd be determined to plough on "in the interests of the country". There'd be a vote of no confidence within days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 One could argue that today's corruption is much more subtle. No it isn't as rife, or as influential, but it is still there. , I would say that there definetley is a small level of corruption, which is probably better than no corruption at all as that would require a level of enforcement that is not indicative of a liberal democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 There will be huge pressure on Clegg from both sides. The trouble is that any coalition is likely to split the future Lib Dem vote. There are many Lib Dem voters who would never forgive a coalition with the Conservatives, and - particularly with Iraq in mind - very nearly as many (including me) who would never forgive a coalition with Labour (and Gordon Brown in particular). Clegg says he has no interest in playing kingmaker. Ideally he would like to give his party's backing on a policy by policy basis - unfortunately I can't see that working. The other factor is the complete inability of Gordon Brown to work with anyone. He can't even work with people in his own party - the chance of him sharing power with anyone else is nil. If Labour managed a minority win he'd be determined to plough on "in the interests of the country". There'd be a vote of no confidence within days. I hope they split for good. I will never forgive the Lib-Dems for splitting the opposition vote in 92 leading to 5 more years of the Tories. I agree with so many Lib-Dem policies but they will never be in a position to put them in to practice nor do they have to fully cost them so they might as well offer us all free blow-jobs for the good it does. They have proven to be poor in local government the length and breadth of the country and at times a nasty party with homophobic election literature - considering the Lib is suppose to stand for liberal, sadly they are often anything but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 They have proven to be poor in local government the length and breadth of the country and at times a nasty party with homophobic election literature - considering the Lib is suppose to stand for liberal, sadly they are often anything but. That, my friend, is the biggest load of non-football related bollocks I have ever read on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Hughes#Bermondsey yes yes, it is wikipedia but accurate. Local government? Lib dems in Oldham. Sports park 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Ha ha ha ho hum. So one extremely misguided campaign and the party's homophobic? Get a grip, man! As for local government, let's just say that in Oldham Labour desperately need the Lib Dems to take power for a couple of years now and then because they know they'll at least attempt to do their dirty work for them and balance the budget. And there are examples in hugely varied towns, cities and boroughs across the country where the the Lib Dems have proven to be so "poor" in local government that they keep getting re-elected. As for 1992, there is one reason the Tories got back in - and it has absolutely nothing to do with the Lib Dems "splitting the oppostion vote". That reason is Labour were an utterly embarrassing shambles. If anything, the Lib Dems took more votes off the Tories in that election than they did Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I hope they split for good. I will never forgive the Lib-Dems for splitting the opposition vote in 92 leading to 5 more years of the Tories. I agree with so many Lib-Dem policies but they will never be in a position to put them in to practice nor do they have to fully cost them so they might as well offer us all free blow-jobs for the good it does. They have proven to be poor in local government the length and breadth of the country and at times a nasty party with homophobic election literature - considering the Lib is suppose to stand for liberal, sadly they are often anything but. In Rochdale they were dishing out BNP-style stuff where they thought it would be welcome and promising the Moon on a stick in Asian language publications during the same election. Granted a few campaigns ago but I am vaguely aware of some people involved in their high command and they haven't changed. Very sad as Rochdale was one of the last remaining towns from the genuine Liberal tradition (clearly carried by Big Cyril more than anything) that featured freedom for both workers and business owners not to be forced to pay to prop up other industries (farming in those days, strangely as should be now), avoiding expensive foreign war where possible and trying to let people spend their money as they thought best. It would never catch on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Ha ha ha ho hum. So one extremely misguided campaign and the party's homophobic? Get a grip, man! I said "and at times a nasty party with homophobic election literature" I gave a documented example of the case I was referring too. For a supposedly liberal party, that wasn't very liberal, I have no need to get a grip. As for 1992, there is one reason the Tories got back in - and it has absolutely nothing to do with the Lib Dems "splitting the oppostion vote". That reason is Labour were an utterly embarrassing shambles. If anything, the Lib Dems took more votes off the Tories in that election than they did Labour. Labour weren't a shambles in 1992, the work done by Kinnock had reformed the party from 79 and 83 to an electable party. What inflicted another 5 years of the worst government this country has seen were the battles in key marginals where the vote was split 3 ways and Labour losing the seat by a couple of hundred votes which had gone to the Lib-dems. If they do end up in a position where they hold the balance of power it will be interesting to see what they do, I hope Clegg does what is right for the country, I also hope he doesn't fold under the pressure wherever it is exerted from. If you want a Labour government after the election, vote Labour, if you want a Conservative government vote Conservative. Think about what you are voting for if you vote Lib-Dem as no one knows what you will be getting, not least themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I find it more than a little ironic that a Labour supporter should accuse the Lib Dems of being the party that has abandoned its principles. Maybe there's a bit of reflected angst in there? Anyway, believe what you like - I know I won't change your mind and I'm sure you know you won't change mine. I learnt a long time ago that life's far too short to fall out over politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 By the way, it won't make a toss of difference which way I vote - for my sins I live in the second safest Tory seat in the country ... my MP next term by a 20k+ majority, whatever happens elsewhere, will be George fecking Osbourne. Can't stand the vacuous tossbag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I find it more than a little ironic that a Labour supporter should accuse the Lib Dems of being the party that has abandoned its principles. Changed to match the times, no point having early 20th century principles if the world has changed. Maybe there's a bit of reflected angst in there? Not at all. Anyway, believe what you like - I know I won't change your mind and I'm sure you know you won't change mine. I learnt a long time ago that life's far too short to fall out over politics. Finally something we agree on. Healthy debate never hurt anyone though. Always interested to hear other sides views. No matter how wrong ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hometownclub Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 You just came out with a load of personal attacks... Looked at your profile and shocked to see your age. A messageboard is about discussing someones OPINION and not attack the person. Which you did. I only ever talked about your opinion. I don't think you understand messageboards at all. Bloody hell stop being such a drama queen. Nobody made any personal attacks on you. You said corruption in politics was minimal, I thought it was significantly higher than that, your opinion v my opinion end of. BTW glad you are so interested in me that you went to look at my profile, you will notice that I haven't bothered to look at your profile as I don't give a monkeys. The only thing I really know about you is that you don't watch Latics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 I have had a fair few arguments on here, I dont like it when people get personal! all my arguments are purely debating the topic, If i ever met any off you i would be sat next to you in the pub and may even buy a round in, I will argue till im blue in the face for my point but wouldnt ever get on to the point of wishing people would not talk anymore, well, except a few who come on just to stir trouble, whats with the anger dude? seriously No anger from me, dude. I was merely having an arguement/debate with zeros and you felt the need to get unnecessarily involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelaticsfan Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 because it was about politics and like so many other debates they seem to stray off into one ups-man ship, pretty much the same as the houses of parliament! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 (edited) No anger from me, dude. I was merely having an arguement/debate with zeros and you felt the need to get unnecessarily involved. I invite you to re-read the thread and look at who contributed what to this discussion... Everything was going fine into you got involved... I would also point out that I have tried to get the conversation back on track, yet you continue with the petty arguments... Can we just leave this now and move on ? This discussion was interesting at one point... Edited March 19, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 (edited) I find it more than a little ironic that a Labour supporter should accuse the Lib Dems of being the party that has abandoned its principles. I liked Blair and his polices... The move to the centre was the right one I felt... Brown is taking Labour back to the past and that will lose my vote. I have socialist principles but only so far... Edited March 19, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 I invite you to re-read the thread and look at who contributed what to this discussion... Everything was going fine into you got involved... I would also point out that I have tried to get the conversation back on track, yet you continue with the petty arguments... Can we just leave this now and move on ? This discussion was interesting at one point... My first post in the thread was to express that IMO corruption was quite widespread in Politics, you disagree thats your opinion, thats fine it's your prerogative. I will continue to believe my opinion to be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boboafc Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share Posted March 21, 2010 if only there was enough people in Oldham who cared enough about latics to vote Tory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Damage Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Channel 4 despatches should be highly embarrasing for 4 labour MPs tonight. In my view they should all be arrested for corruption since they have been caught in the act willing to accept cash for influence and legislation changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Channel 4 despatches should be highly embarrasing for 4 labour MPs tonight. In my view they should all be arrested for corruption since they have been caught in the act willing to accept cash for influence and legislation changes. Isn't that a Tory campaign slogan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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