Senor_Coconut Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 My opinion on religion is well documented. However given that the players (Christian or otherwise) have to train on Christmas Day for the Boxing Day games why should the Jewish players be given the day off for some equally fictitious event? Because Yom Kippur isn't the Jewish equivalent of Christmas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Because Yom Kippur isn't the Jewish equivalent of Christmas? Semantics, Christians also play on Easter. The point I was making was that Christian players are asked to play on significant days to Christians and I'd say that any Muslim players in the League would have been expected to play through Ramadan/Eid last week (aside from the International break). Further to this point; what I was trying to highlight was that in the modern world there's little need to observe these archaic traditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_balls Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Semantics, Christians also play on Easter. The point I was making was that Christian players are asked to play on significant days to Christians and I'd say that any Muslim players in the League would have been expected to play through Ramadan/Eid last week (aside from the International break). Further to this point; what I was trying to highlight was that in the modern world there's little need to observe these archaic traditions. I agree with this, i'm turning up on sat and paying me entrance fee i would like to see the best team possible out there tbh! Just like i'd expect on Boxing Day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 I agree with this, i'm turning up on sat and paying me entrance fee i would like to see the best team possible out there tbh! Just like i'd expect on Boxing Day! Boxing Day isn't a religious day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Boxing Day isn't a religious day. No, but the players have to 'work' on Christmas day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_balls Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Boxing Day isn't a religious day. it is in our house, we pray to the great Casius and the grill king George all day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 (edited) If they were dedicated enough to their religion they would be allowed time off to visit mass, you aren't required to fast and prey for 25 hours. Edited September 16, 2010 by Senor_Coconut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 From the Chron: Athletic have confirmed they have held talks with Dean Furman and Joe Jacobson regarding the Jewish holy day Yom Kippur, but are yet to confirm whether the duo will play against Bournemouth on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 (edited) My opinion on religion is well documented. However given that the players (Christian or otherwise) have to train on Christmas Day for the Boxing Day games why should the Jewish players be given the day off for some equally fictitious event? What about living in a multicultural and tolerant society where we respect each other's beliefs and practices, rather than stopping them or punishing people for adhering to them? This isn't France, you know Edited September 16, 2010 by jsslatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshaw Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 All this because Avram Grant is taking a day off? Oi vey! He will also be taking Christmas Day off as well. In my experience they bag an extra day to the rest of us,( all in the name of religion) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 What about living in a multicultural and tolerant society where we respect each other's beliefs and practices, rather than stopping them or punishing people for adhering to them? This isn't France, you know And to think, we're allowing you to practice your religion whilst Pope-Nazi is here spouting his bile. Good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 And to think, we're allowing you to practice your religion whilst Pope-Nazi is here spouting his bile. Good times. I'm every bit as much an atheist as you are, but calling Popey a Nazi is a pretty low blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 I'm every bit as much an atheist as you are, but calling Popey a Nazi is a pretty low blow. He was a member of the Hitler Youth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 He was a member of the Hitler Youth... And so would you have been. Or would you have preferred wearing a red triangle in Auschwitz? He actually did a runner when he was stayed on an anti-aircraft post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 And so would you have been. Or would you have preferred wearing a red triangle in Auschwitz? He actually did a runner when he was stayed on an anti-aircraft post. I'm not the most powerful religious leader in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 I'm not the most powerful religious leader in the world. Neither was he when he was a teenage boy. What's the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 I'm not the most powerful religious leader in the world. So I take you don't have a problem with the 'judgemental' part of religion then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 If they do get the day off for it, i will fully expect them to be in training on christmas day while every other player is off. They do not believe Jesus is the son of god so why celebrate chrismas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Pope retorts: Pope speech compares atheist 'extremism' with Nazism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 If they do get the day off for it, i will fully expect them to be in training on christmas day while every other player is off. They do not believe Jesus is the son of god so why celebrate chrismas? Neither do probably the majority of people in this country, it's still a bank holiday. And they probably will be in on Xmas, as will the rest of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Pope retorts: Pope speech compares atheist 'extremism' with Nazism What a daft thing to say. "I think the Pope knows rather well what the Nazi ideology is" And let's not get into the debate about his Nazi past; he was conscripted, as it was law for boys of his age at the time. His family, as with many of the Catholics in Germany at the time were reluctant to say the least, and were mainly uncooperative with the Nazis. His own family was subjected to T4 assessment and I'm sure I've read that his brother was taken away and killed under this programme. There's no discussion here - he isn't and never was a Nazi. However he can sack his researchers for his speech, 'cos they've done a lousy job. Hitler stated in Mein Kampf: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord". Hiltler was also partial to the odd rallying speech containing references to his "work" being part of God's Will and Divine Reasoning. I would have thought at this time with all the pressure on the Catholic Church, he would have provided the masses with a speech of calming tone, carrying a message of truth, co-operation and love. What we do get is on part a broadside on the freethinking populace on the back of one of his aides describing the UK a third world country. He might not be far off with that observation mind you, however it's not a great time to say it in public. I'm an Atheist. I choose not to. I choose not to because amongst other things it's rubbish and a pack of lies. However, others do choose to be religious, and that's fine with me also - as long as it doesn't threaten me or my family you can pray to the God of Burger King for all I care. Knock yourself out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Neither was he when he was a teenage boy. What's the point? So at what age are you allowed slap on contraception or commit suicide (say, under great suffering)? When speaking bile it's a matter of what's good for the goose... NB. As for the pope, I'd not follow up on the Nazi fun he had as a kid - and move onto the criminal covering up of child abuse. I'm surprised no one moved towards pressing charges against him in an effort to save us seven hundred zillion pounds this year. It would have been great to see him on his knees, lips against the runway. Cuffed. Ah, bile... it tastes great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 I've worked Xmas day for the last 3 years. And apart from one year off,2 before that. This year will be my second free Xmas day in 7. Back in boxing day though. And regardless of whether he was a Nazi or not, hasn't he denied the holocaust before now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 I've worked Xmas day for the last 3 years. And apart from one year off,2 before that. This year will be my second free Xmas day in 7. Back in boxing day though. And regardless of whether he was a Nazi or not, hasn't he denied the holocaust before now? If he has I haven't seen it. I still maintain the best Christmas day was eating my fill and then saying, "Sorry mam - it's snowing and Hartlepool away tomorrow. I best be making tracks." Six days later I sobered up. Fantabulous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 Furman is in the squad for tomorrow. Shalom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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