opinions4u Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) Plenty of places already have better gambling terms and I don't see anyone heading off in a hurry. And how many bookmakers base their online operations in Gibraltar, or Netherlands Antilles etc? Rather a lot! Edited October 6, 2010 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Education is the single most important thing in this country... From education all that is good grows... I don't sign up to your way of thinking with all due respect.... I'm not going to argue that educating youngsters is a bad thing. But there has to become a point where enough is enough. Funding into schools has been stupid for years now. Ranging from teachers on stupid wages to perfectly good schools being replaced. We just don't need this to happen. If it is decent (at all levels), the cream will rise to the top and that sub-section can be educated to a higher standard later on. By learning in schools that are ten times as good as my workplace, from people earning more than what they should what have we achieved? An early retirement philosophy in teaching and a bunch of feathernested juveniles at 18. Bring it down a level and we'll have teachers teaching for a correct length of time (upto 65/67 whatever). Kids that are no worse or better off, it's all down to scale after all. But, no. It's like listening to the mad woman screaching "Won't someone please think of the children". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) We need to stop being "world players"... :censored: that :censored:.. There are many European countries who offer better standards of living we should follow rather than trying to keep up with the USA / Chinas... We would save a :censored: load on the military alone by stop interfering around the world... Edited October 6, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 There is plenty of money in this country to put a tick in the good education box... If they closed down the NHS tonight, the nation's books wouldn't balance. If they doubled income tax and everybody paid up, the books wouldn't balance. If the government sold their holdings in the part nationalised banks at today's share price, making a small profit on what they actually paid for those shares, the hole in income and expenditure in the nations finances would still be immense. Can it be spelled out any more clearly? There is not plenty of money out there for anything. (Interestingly, we carry on sending third world aid to places like India, who then spend significantly more developing their own space programme - but that's for debate another day). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 And how many bookmakers base their online operations in Gibralter, or Netherlands Antilles etc? Rather a lot! The real talent will ship off if the going gets tough. The rest will stay and pay and humbly admit that they're not all that special after all. Taking bets is dangerous and if you don't do it wisely, you're going down. These conditions do not apply to investment banking, more's the pity. If the bookies are gone, why are the bankers still here? I'll answer that. They're here because they have no intention of leaving. They have no intention of leaving because they have a perfectly nice time of it here, thank you very much. If they were that good at anything, and they felt they were getting a hard time, they'd be off the Gibraltar etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 If they closed down the NHS tonight, the nation's books wouldn't balance. If they doubled income tax and everybody paid up, the books wouldn't balance. If the government sold their holdings in the part nationalised banks at today's share price, making a small profit on what they actually paid for those shares, the hole in income and expenditure in the nations finances would still be immense. Can it be spelled out any more clearly? There is not plenty of money out there for anything. (Interestingly, we carry on sending third world aid to places like India, who then spend significantly more developing their own space programme - but that's for debate another day). It don't work like that. For more than half a century our national well-being has depended on our ability to borrow. At the moment, we're a safe bet for a loan. That's the key. The Debt Management Office in the Treasury sells our bonds. It is not overly worried about selling said bonds, or about the terms on which they are issued. It's cool. All other talk of panic is just exactly that. Talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (Interestingly, we carry on sending third world aid to places like India, who then spend significantly more developing their own space programme - but that's for debate another day). Yes, but we get that back substantially by doing so. Primarily, it is a loan (like us and our Chinese overlords). Secondly, we are generally funding dictatorships which enable future business to take place. Those Somali pirates need eyepatches you know - it's the future of our fashion industry, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 It don't work like that. For more than half a century our national well-being has depended on our ability to borrow. At the moment, we're a safe bet for a loan. That's the key. The Debt Management Office in the Treasury sells our bonds. It is not overly worried about selling said bonds, or about the terms on which they are issued. It's cool. All other talk of panic is just exactly that. Talk. I grown bored of arguing with people who have swallowed the tory pill... We need to scale back the debt but the problem has been blow so far out of all proportion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 It don't work like that. For more than half a century our national well-being has depended on our ability to borrow. At the moment, we're a safe bet for a loan. That's the key. The Debt Management Office in the Treasury sells our bonds. It is not overly worried about selling said bonds, or about the terms on which they are issued. It's cool. All other talk of panic is just exactly that. Talk. Although that wouldn't be the case if the coalition hadn't have formed. Our rating would have gone down and we'd have been Donald Ducked by all accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Although that wouldn't be the case if the coalition hadn't have formed. Our rating would have gone down and we'd have been Donald Ducked by all accounts. Nope. Things at the DMO have been calm for a while. It's all horlicks - the panic chatter. Pure nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I grown bored of arguing with people who have swallowed the tory pill... We need to scale back the debt but the problem has been blow so far out of all proportion... And equally, I have grown tired of people believing the labour fantasy. With less debt your schools with massaging chairs and brain implants could become reality. As it is, it'll be four kids to a chair - and I'll let you guess which way up it'll be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 If they closed down the NHS tonight, the nation's books wouldn't balance. If they doubled income tax and everybody paid up, the books wouldn't balance. If the government sold their holdings in the part nationalised banks at today's share price, making a small profit on what they actually paid for those shares, the hole in income and expenditure in the nations finances would still be immense. Can it be spelled out any more clearly? There is not plenty of money out there for anything. (Interestingly, we carry on sending third world aid to places like India, who then spend significantly more developing their own space programme - but that's for debate another day). Not to mention how much they spent on the Commonwealth games. I really don't have a problem with us sending aid overseas, especially if they have strong ties to here (usually members of the Commonwealth) but unless its a natural disaster (we may still be responsible for some aid to India due to the Tsunami) we shouldn't be sending money to India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 And equally, I have grown tired of people believing the labour fantasy. With less debt your schools with massaging chairs and brain implants could become reality. As it is, it'll be four kids to a chair - and I'll let you guess which way up it'll be. I was thinking more of schools without leaking roofs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Not to mention how much they spent on the Commonwealth games. I really don't have a problem with us sending aid overseas, especially if they have strong ties to here (usually members of the Commonwealth) but unless its a natural disaster (we may still be responsible for some aid to India due to the Tsunami) we shouldn't be sending money to India. Why shouldn't we... It comes back in greater amounts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Not to mention how much they spent on the Commonwealth games. I really don't have a problem with us sending aid overseas, especially if they have strong ties to here (usually members of the Commonwealth) but unless its a natural disaster (we may still be responsible for some aid to India due to the Tsunami) we shouldn't be sending money to India. If you were looking for wasteful expenditure I suppose India would crop up sooner or later. We give (from memory) £300 million to India, which has a space programme besides the Commonwealth games. Like OAFC0000 says, we get that back in trade agreements. Why India can't take care of its poor before getting a space programme is a mystery. International Development spending is ring-fenced for this Parliament, mainly because it's not much money. Maybe we're over-attached to the place because of the Empire. But then India is a massive economy in the making, and we could take a lot of money out of there in the long-run. Is trade-for-aid all right? Dunno. What I do know is that if I could help it, I wouldn't let primary industrial intellectual and production rights go to India if India needs something and we've got it. I wouldn't have denied the loan to Sheffield Forgemasters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) For more than half a century our national well-being has depended on our ability to borrow. This is true. A lot of our 1960s tower blocks which have since been pulled down were funded with 60 year loans that we're still paying for. While the Treasury can and does continue issuing bonds to plug the gap, sooner or later the price of those bonds will go up, closely followed by an ending to the ability to issue them. It's the same with personal finance. If your take home pay is £20k and you are spending £30k you can, for a period of time, run up the debts on mortgages, loans and credit cards. But sooner or later the bank will stop increasing your lines of credit, or make the price ridiculously high (try a payday loan at 2697%). Solution? You have to earn more or spend less. To believe we can borrow forever as a nation is an utterly ridiculous concept. The only way you can do it successfully is to generate inflation that erodes the value of that debt - but at the same time this makes the people significantly worse off. Increasing the wealth generation of the nation and reducing the spending of the public sector is the best way to deal with the fallout from Brown's Britain. I grown bored of arguing with people who have swallowed the tory pill... We need to scale back the debt but the problem has been blow so far out of all proportion... I've swallowed no pill. I learned a long time ago that all politicians are tossers tyvm. Blown out of proportion? Would you care to quantify that and propose a credible alternative plan? Jesus, even Gordon Brown was committed to, using his words, "balancing the budget over the economic cycle". He defined that cycle as 7 years, then 9 years, then forgot to talk about it as he realised he'd spent today's money, spent tomorrow's money and spent all our retirement money. Tulse is proposing extending the economic cycle forever, you're suggesting that it's all a bit hysterical and they should just spend a bit less and it'll be ok, hopefully. Both are basically requests for the IMF to step in and turn us in to a Greek basket case. Edited October 7, 2010 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 We would all be better off this wasn't allowed to keep happening... http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article....mp;in_page_id=2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 We can keep on borrowing for ever unless an asteroid hits. It's fine. There's no need to worry. Labour was committed to cutting the deficit too, but the situation is nowhere near as bad as the Tories (and latterly, the Liberals) would have you believe. It is NOT like a household budget, incidentally. Not even remotely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 (edited) I have a problem when we send aid to India for their flood/tsunami/famine/this weeks disaster fund for them to spend 600 million (or however much it was) on a space program and then more millions to build inadequate facilities for a commonwealth games that they can't afford to host. FFS, feed the millions of starving in your country before wasting it? It's ok, the rest of the world will give us more money like they always do.... And if we're cutting benefits, why not go for the ones that matter. Billy Scrote, who spends most of his days smoking weed on the settee in his front yard with his Stella swigging mates. Has no intention of getting a job cos it would stop him XBox-ing all day. Gets :censored: loads of benefits, that my taxes pay for, gets free prescriptions and dental. Maybe if he was told that if he didn't get off his arse and get a job his benefits would stop. Maybe that way, the people that actually put all the money into the system get free prescriptions. Maybe then he would be paying his own taxes and putting money back into the pot rather than taking it out. Maybe that way we wouldn't have to cut child benefit. Maybe that way he would be too busy working to mug pensioners or knock down tbe local kids while doing burnouts in his dented Subaru. Maybe then I wouldn't have to get angry every time this debate crops up!!!!!!! Edited October 10, 2010 by BlueJazzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 The undeserving poor eh!.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I grown bored of arguing with people who have swallowed the tory pill... We need to scale back the debt but the problem has been blow so far out of all proportion... What gets my goat up is the folk who have swallowed the labour pill (and by this reply I am not indicating that you have swallowed the labour pill 0000) seem to argue that labour would not have made these cuts. Maybe labour would have looked to balance cuts with increased taxation of some sort, but even under a labour government, there would have still been deep, painful cuts to spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I have a problem when we send aid to India for their flood/tsunami/famine/this weeks disaster fund for them to spend 600 million (or however much it was) on a space program and then more millions to build inadequate facilities for a commonwealth games that they can't afford to host. FFS, feed the millions of starving in your country before wasting it? It's ok, the rest of the world will give us more money like they always do.... And if we're cutting benefits, why not go for the ones that matter. Billy Scrote, who spends most of his days smoking weed on the settee in his front yard with his Stella swigging mates. Has no intention of getting a job cos it would stop him XBox-ing all day. Gets :censored: loads of benefits, that my taxes pay for, gets free prescriptions and dental. Maybe if he was told that if he didn't get off his arse and get a job his benefits would stop. Maybe that way, the people that actually put all the money into the system get free prescriptions. Maybe then he would be paying his own taxes and putting money back into the pot rather than taking it out. Maybe that way we wouldn't have to cut child benefit. Maybe that way he would be too busy working to mug pensioners or knock down tbe local kids while doing burnouts in his dented Subaru. Maybe then I wouldn't have to get angry every time this debate crops up!!!!!!! Example? If you haven't got one to hand, feel free to purloin one from the Hate Mail or Scum. If you can't find one, you're just getting annoyed about a figment of your imagination, which is not a great place to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 10, 2010 Author Share Posted October 10, 2010 What gets my goat up is the folk who have swallowed the labour pill (and by this reply I am not indicating that you have swallowed the labour pill 0000) seem to argue that labour would not have made these cuts. Maybe labour would have looked to balance cuts with increased taxation of some sort, but even under a labour government, there would have still been deep, painful cuts to spending. Labour said they would cut... but like you said increased taxation would of featured more heavily... Personally I would of trusted Labour over the Torys to cut fairly... but each to there own... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted October 10, 2010 Author Share Posted October 10, 2010 (edited) Example? If you haven't got one to hand, feel free to purloin one from the Hate Mail or Scum. If you can't find one, you're just getting annoyed about a figment of your imagination, which is not a great place to be. I think there is no doubt these type of people exist...I personally know some its just the way they are used as an apparent example of the average person on benefit that pisses me off... They are the exception not the rule... Edited October 10, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I have a problem when we send aid to India for their flood/tsunami/famine/this weeks disaster fund for them to spend 600 million (or however much it was) on a space program and then more millions to build inadequate facilities for a commonwealth games that they can't afford to host. FFS, feed the millions of starving in your country before wasting it? It's ok, the rest of the world will give us more money like they always do.... It's not like we waste billions of our own pounds every year is it... oh, wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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