oafc joe Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Would it be worth dropping him for Bouzanis? he all know Cisak's a quality keeper but he, like Simpson, hasn't started this season well and maybe dropping him will give him the kick up the backside he maybe needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 That second goal isn't keeper error. It's a freak. No way should he be dropped for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Not yet but like you say his form needs to pick up Dickov should sit him down and have a one to one with him and tell him his form needs to pick up or he will be dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 As said above, the 2nd goal was a freaky fluke, he didn't have much chance with the first either as that was a cracking finish. Overall Cisak hasn't had much to do this season and what little he has had to do he has mostly done well. To be fair I thought it was harsh dropping Bouzanis yesterday as he was the man in possession of the shirt. Considering our defence is supposedly "gash" neither of our keepers have broken sweat this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Considering our defence is supposedly "gash" neither of our keepers have broken sweat this season. Its just a case of stupid mistakes costing us the second we can put down as a fluke but the first goal was criminal the guy ran straight past Grounds who was marking space and had all the time in the world to pick his spot. A stupid mistake was what cost us against walsall the goals against sheffield wednesday were preventable cut these out and we win games, we pick up points, we get on a roll, confidence builds, and people start coming back to BP, sometimes the little things can make a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown23 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Its just a case of stupid mistakes costing us the second we can put down as a fluke but the first goal was criminal the guy ran straight past Grounds who was marking space and had all the time in the world to pick his spot. A stupid mistake was what cost us against walsall the goals against sheffield wednesday were preventable cut these out and we win games, we pick up points, we get on a roll, confidence builds, and people start coming back to BP, sometimes the little things can make a big difference. looked like their winger had too much room to get a cross in really and then the scorer ghosted inside grounds and byrne (IIRC). if we look hard enough i guess we can blame near enough anyone 2nd goal was a fluke, waiting to see the highlights i was expecting to see the ball loop in at snails pace having read some of the stuff on here but it really didnt seem like Cisak could do much about it, anticipating the cross. alternatively if he'd waited back on his line and the cross found a player in the box and they scored we could be blaming him for being back on his line for the cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictic Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Its just a case of stupid mistakes costing us the second we can put down as a fluke but the first goal was criminal the guy ran straight past Grounds who was marking space and had all the time in the world to pick his spot. A stupid mistake was what cost us against walsall the goals against sheffield wednesday were preventable cut these out and we win games, we pick up points, we get on a roll, confidence builds, and people start coming back to BP, sometimes the little things can make a big difference. Grounds was poor and more awareness could have prevented the goal but just how far had the scorer run without being picked up ? At a guess I'd say about 50 yards. More often than not goals happen due to a combination of factors and rarely due to one mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The back 4 has changed nearly every game, Grounds and Big Jean are the only constants so we can't expect them to be playing as an established unit yet. The individual mistakes are being punished at our end and we need to cut these out quickly and capitalise on the mistakes at the other end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Whilst I'm not sure the player could ever score the goal again if he tried, I'm not convinced that it being a fluke occurrence excuses Cisak. I don't think a keeper should ever be beaten when the ball's in that position. I also think there have been times when he's been a bit indecisive off his line this season so yes, I'd rotate the keepers otherwise there's no point in giving yourself the option. He's a fine keeper who, I'm sure, will go a lot further but I don't think he's at his best st the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Whilst I'm not sure the player could ever score the goal again if he tried, I'm not convinced that it being a fluke occurrence excuses Cisak. I don't think a keeper should ever be beaten when the ball's in that position. Inspector Gadget would have struggled with that one. The pace and trajectory of that ball were unsaveable. I thought Cisak was at fault at the time but unless he'd stood at his back post he was ever going to save it. I'd rotate the keepers I can't think of anything worse than that for a back five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Inspector Gadget would have struggled with that one. The pace and trajectory of that ball were unsaveable. I thought Cisak was at fault at the time but unless he'd stood at his back post he was ever going to save it. I think if he'd have been more alert & moved his feet, he'd have got there. I don't want to beat the lad to death with it but I just think his head's not right at the moment for whatever reason and he's making poor decisions. I can't think of anything worse than that for a back five. I meant rotate them once, so Cisak sits out for a few games ;) I think worse for the back five is having an indesicive keeper which (and it's only my opinion) Cisak is at the moment. Even when fielding backpasses, he stutters his run and doesn't look sure whether to go to the ball or wait for it to come to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 One of the problems for Cisak is the now default back pass - he just does not know when the ball will be passed to him and I think that keeps him on edge rather than letting him relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Too many shots are bouncing off his body and its been lucky many have not finished up in the net (there was one occasion on Saturday), IMO at times he's not on his toes or setting his feet correctly (flat footed) and his awareness and anticipation needs sharpening up. Nothing he can't put right really. Maybe a bit a ballet training with Billy might help Having said that, personally I prefer Bouzanis, who did little wrong last season. Edited September 17, 2012 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I've only managed one game so far this season, at Portsmouth, so can only go off that. Cisak had one bounce off his chest in the first few minutes, but I thought he looked very safe after that and pulled off some stunning saves. He's still very young for a GK (as is Boozy) and probably won't reach his peak for a good few years. If he was having a stinker every week then, yes, get him out of the firing line. If not, I'd leave him in for at least two more games and, if he's still looking a bit dodgy, take him to one side and explain why Boozy gets a chance. He's got a cracking GK coach in PG, so I reckon his current blip, if that's what it is, should only be temporary. If Boozy does get his chance, then Cisak will have to earn his place a again. Best competition we've had for GKs in years. I honestly can't remember us having two class keepers since Ogden & Platt, although I may have forgotten someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I've only managed one game so far this season, at Portsmouth, so can only go off that. Cisak had one bounce off his chest in the first few minutes, but I thought he looked very safe after that and pulled off some stunning saves. He's still very young for a GK (as is Boozy) and probably won't reach his peak for a good few years. If he was having a stinker every week then, yes, get him out of the firing line. If not, I'd leave him in for at least two more games and, if he's still looking a bit dodgy, take him to one side and explain why Boozy gets a chance. He's got a cracking GK coach in PG, so I reckon his current blip, if that's what it is, should only be temporary. If Boozy does get his chance, then Cisak will have to earn his place a again. Best competition we've had for GKs in years. I honestly can't remember us having two class keepers since Ogden & Platt, although I may have forgotten someone. Hallworth and Rhodes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Hallworth and Gerrard Goram and Gorton Hallworth and Kelly Crossley and Fleming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Hallworth and Gerrard Goram and Gorton Hallworth and Kelly Crossley and Fleming I really rated him, strange how it hasn't happened for him. Brilliant reactions and shop-stopping ability; if a little prone to rushes of blood. Is he still at Chesterfierld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I really rated him, strange how it hasn't happened for him. Brilliant reactions and shop-stopping ability; if a little prone to rushes of blood. Is he still at Chesterfierld? Grimsby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Best shot stopper we'd had in years, reminded me of a young Goram he could be that good. Another strange one in a long line over the last few years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Grimsby. Jeez. Weird one. I rated him highly. Shows what I know eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictic Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I really rated him, strange how it hasn't happened for him. Brilliant reactions and shop-stopping ability; if a little prone to rushes of blood. Is he still at Chesterfierld? Fleming is at Grimsby, those rushes of blood you refer to were his achilles heel no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Hallworth and Rhodes ? Hallworth and Gerrard Goram and Gorton Hallworth and Kelly Crossley and Fleming How did I manage to forget that lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonesyOAFC Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Considering our defence is supposedly "gash" neither of our keepers have broken sweat this season. Our defence is essentially Titus Bramble. For the most part solid and reliable, but prone to massive brain-farts that lead to mistakes that change games. Although Big Jean has started the season in fantastic form tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I honestly can't remember us having two class keepers since Ogden & Platt, although I may have forgotten someone. Crossley and Fleming Own up, Bristol, you edited out the words 'mind numbingly average' and replaced them with 'class' after Prozac posted, didn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Own up, Bristol, you edited out the words 'mind numbingly average' and replaced them with 'class' after Prozac posted, didn't you? Amazing what you can do with tippex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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