ChrisA Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 If it was optional and there were buckets at the ticket office, I'd be surprised if all of the 65% who voted yes on here opted to make a contribution. It's an absolute non-starter. Not because the cause isn't valid but because donations need to be a choice and a selfless act. Doing it in a gimmicky way (which is what this would be in truth) doesn't hold much merit. Everyone who's voted yes just make a donation off your own backs? The money raised will be the same which is what it's all abouts surely? As above, make a donation yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Big games regularly visited such inadequate facilities without such a disastrous ending. 38 Spurs fans were injured in a crush at the Leppings Lane end in 1981. The police commander in charge of the game warned the Sheff Wed chairman that there had been "a real chance of fatalities", to which he replied "Bollocks - no-one would have been killed!" No FA Cup semi-finals were held at Hillsborough for 6 years after the 1981 crush. After the first subsequent semi-final - between Coventry and Leeds in 1987 - a Leeds fan described how: As I entered the tunnel I noted that the crowd was back up the tunnel. I believed this was the only way onto the terraces, not having seen any other signs directing otherwise. I therefore, pushed my way through the tunnel not knowing what was ahead of me. I noted that people, generally fathers with young lads or girls, were pushing back out of the tunnel, away from the pitch. At this point there was what I would describe as a bad crush. They had been dodging a bullet for years. It was a disaster waiting to happen. As mentioned on this thread, underdog and wardlelatic are still in touch with the people who took part in the Red Rose Walk that visited BP before Christmas, and I believe some kind of get-together's being organised before the Liverpool game. I'm sure there'll be an opportunity for people to make a voluntary donation and show their support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keep_the_faith Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Hope the lads on the pitch dont show as much respect to the scousers as most of you are doing else were in for a tonking. What happened to.rivalry between fans? If lfc cared enough they would cover legal costs in two hours of a working day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchie82 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Is this a joke? Dear me. If you want to donate then do so please don't force :censored:e like this on non do gooders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYLEOAFC Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Wonder if the current Liverpool squad would donate 9.6% of their weekly wage to the families as a show of good will then we wouldn't be having this thread? I voted yes because I woldn't mind and its 96P but charity does begin at home and shouldn't the players and liverpool board foot the bill. That said I was always under the impression thats what the civil courts were for anyway and if you were to win you could justify claiming back legal expenses as part of any compensation awarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I wonder if Tom Adeyemi will do the half-time draw. would we notice if he did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 No. Mainly because they are getting legal aid and all costs covered and partly because mainly non of them would appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 No. Mainly because they are getting legal aid and all costs covered and partly because mainly non of them would appreciate it. Are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Are they? Yes, the goverment are covering their costs, thats what I was told anyway and a few have mentioned it on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Well if its been mentioned on here then it must be kosher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) Doh! Edited January 7, 2013 by 24hoursfromtulsehill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) Are they? http://www.telegraph...gh-victims.html From the 20th December 'The Government will fund legal representation for the families of the 96 Liverpool fans killed in the Hillsborough disaster at the new inquest ordered into their deaths.' Edited January 7, 2013 by jimsleftfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 http://www.telegraph...gh-victims.html From the 20th December 'The Government will fund legal representation for the families of the 96 Liverpool fans killed in the Hillsborough disaster at the new inquest ordered into their deaths.' Yes. How could I have missed that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Still no nearer to what it's for then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellys_discopants Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 It`s a nice idea, but i prefer to choose wether i donate my money to charities/good causes not having it forced upon me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertaylor Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I hate this idea makes us look like fannies that want to bend over for a big club! Make intimidating I would hate to hear the jft96 song played too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) I'm a VAT specialist - the 96p could be treated as a donation but only if freely given I.e. people would have to have the option not to give the 96p. Also would be a good idea to have it written down what it is for and who the money is going to. Interesting that Jim, Can i ask, How do TV companies get around that by donating a certain percentage of a premium phone call to a charitable cause, Or is there a difference? Edited January 7, 2013 by Scratch2000uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Yes. How could I have missed that? I heard it on the telly, I dont buy the Telegraph either bit too intelligent for me that paper! Janet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I guess it must be to fund this or something similar? What specifically could the charges or criminal prosecutions be? Is there any specific offensive you think should be looked at? Michael Mansfield QC: "There's an obvious one which the inquest would also need to look at if the Attorney General authorises that, but even if he doesn't we'll certainly go to court over it - unlawful killing in the sense of gross negligence. An aspect that hasn't been discussed this afternoon but was discussed in the House of Commons and is in the report - and it's not new - it's not just Hillsborough where this happened. If you look at the summary, you will see this was forecast from 1981 onwards. They knew this was a risk. There was no safety certificate and they breached the safety rules. That is the beginning of serious negligence and there's a causation relationship here which the director of Public Prosecutions will have to look at. It seems to me that is the biggest and most obvious thing, compounded by what happened on the day. There is more than police here - it's not just the police. Sheffield Wednesday need to answer some questions, the Sheffield authorities need to answer some questions on that score." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) Interesting that Jim, Can i ask, How do TV companies get around that by donating a certain percentage of a premium phone call to a charitable cause, Or is there a difference? Off the top of my head, if no opt out and if a service is being provided by the TV company, VAT would have to be accounted for on the whole cost regardless. Edited January 7, 2013 by jimsleftfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Off the top of my head, if no opt out and if a service is being provided by the TV company, VAT would have to be accounted for on the whole cost regardless. Ah, right, cheers Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Having been fooled by the publicity back then I do feel guilty about how I felt now that I know who was to blame, however an enforced contribution would be wrong. It doesn't matter how the Liverpool fans behaved, it doesn't matter how much they had drunk the place was a death trap. The police, the owners/operators of the ground and the FA all need to take responsibility for what they caused. If someone is there collecting I will happily throw a quid in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 After voicing concerns yesterday I've now voted "no". I'd rather we added a fiver to standard admission and milked the financial value to benefit the football club. I remain passionate about the whole Hillsborough thing. An injustice above all injustice was done by the authorities working from an assumption that football supporters don't matter. It's the only subject that I ever argued with my Mother over. I wasn't there yet I was and still am genuinely affected by it. Christ knows how those who were at the game cope. I just don't think a gimmicky (and administratively awkward) football match ticket price is the right way to go. But fair play to those who came up with the idea. Nothing wrong with thinking about it. Nothing wrong with suggesting it. Nothing wrong with testing opinion on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 After voicing concerns yesterday I've now voted "no". I'd rather we added a fiver to standard admission and milked the financial value to benefit the football club. I remain passionate about the whole Hillsborough thing. An injustice above all injustice was done by the authorities working from an assumption that football supporters don't matter. It's the only subject that I ever argued with my Mother over. I wasn't there yet I was and still am genuinely affected by it. Christ knows how those who were at the game cope. I just don't think a gimmicky (and administratively awkward) football match ticket price is the right way to go. But fair play to those who came up with the idea. Nothing wrong with thinking about it. Nothing wrong with suggesting it. Nothing wrong with testing opinion on the subject. Taking this thread off topic a bit, and sorry if it's discussed elsewhere, but is increasing the prices above the usual league prices permitted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Taking this thread off topic a bit, and sorry if it's discussed elsewhere, but is increasing the prices above the usual league prices permitted? I believe it is. Under new FA rules, the home team choses the prices subject to a £10 minimum charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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