youngen Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Yep. Railing against something that doesn't really affect you is worse than being a nimby. Hardly rallying against it, if it happened I wouldnt care, just adding to the argument that theres more pressing issues than smoking, and that people should have some restraint if they cant smoke due to the regulations to not smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hardly rallying against it, if it happened I wouldnt care, just adding to the argument that theres more pressing issues than smoking, and that people should have some restraint if they cant smoke due to the regulations to not smoke. Let me just make it clear Youngen, there are no current regulations in the UK regarding smoking in the open air only at Latics. As a consequence, and yes it might partly be the fault of people with no or little discipline, the smokers who cannot last those 2 hours, go to have a smoke in covered areas within the ground, usually to the inconvenience of other paying spectators. I, despite my username, do not! It is no hardship really to go without the cigs for the duration of the match! BUT What I do get annoyed at, is people telling me not to smoke, especially out in the fresh air! It is my body and my health and if everybody gave up smoking or was forced to do so, then your tax bill would rise quite considerably! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Perhaps the club should sell fags. It would bring in more revenue for the tuck shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Let me just make it clear Youngen, there are no current regulations in the UK regarding smoking in the open air only at Latics.As a consequence, and yes it might partly be the fault of people with no or little discipline, the smokers who cannot last those 2 hours, go to have a smoke in covered areas within the ground, usually to the inconvenience of other paying spectators.I, despite my username, do not! It is no hardship really to go without the cigs for the duration of the match!BUT What I do get annoyed at, is people telling me not to smoke, especially out in the fresh air! It is my body and my health and if everybody gave up smoking or was forced to do so, then your tax bill would rise quite considerably!Actually the last bit is quite inaccurate. Whilst the tax on cigarettes puts some money back into NHS, it is not enough to cover for what the smoking related diseases take out. It is not just your body too, passive smoking is a recognised health hazard, hence why the ban was introduced in public places in the first place. Plus (and this is perhaps not as relevant to the Chaddy or RRE) the fire hazard risks of smoking at football games is not one to be taken lightly. However, there are sections of the ground where a smoking area would be more exposed to the elements than many legal smoking areas in pubs etc. I have less problem with smokers smoking in designated smoking areas at BP, if those areas were out of the way, than the current status quo of unofficial smoking areas in the toilets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Tobacco tax revenue is c£12bn a year. NHS budget c£109bn. Smoking estimated to cost the NHS £5bn a few years ago. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/smoking-costs-nhs-pound5bn-a-year-1700509.html Edited February 13, 2014 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Tobacco tax revenue is c£12bn a year. NHS budget c£109bn FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 FTFY You haven't seen the new NHS austerity budget then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 According to this report, http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_121.pdf smoking costs society over £15bn per year. Only £2.5bn of that is cost to the NHS, so if the other figure of £5.2bn is used for cost to the NHS, it is more like £17.5bn. That's £5bn more than what is made from tax associated with smoking, it will probably be more as when that report was commissioned the tax from smoking was more like £9bn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Actually the last bit is quite inaccurate. Whilst the tax on cigarettes puts some money back into NHS, it is not enough to cover for what the smoking related diseases take out. It is not just your body too, passive smoking is a recognised health hazard, hence why the ban was introduced in public places in the first place. Plus (and this is perhaps not as relevant to the Chaddy or RRE) the fire hazard risks of smoking at football games is not one to be taken lightly. However, there are sections of the ground where a smoking area would be more exposed to the elements than many legal smoking areas in pubs etc. I have less problem with smokers smoking in designated smoking areas at BP, if those areas were out of the way, than the current status quo of unofficial smoking areas in the toilets. Actually the costs to the NHS will probably be covered by my not lying in a pool of my own urine in some privately owned nursing home thereby saving the DSS some £25K per annum for several years boring the other residents about the times I went to Wembley. It is still a free country! All I want is to be able to smoke without expecting someone else to inhale it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInAus Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 You can sack someone because they have a cig outside office hours away from business peroperty 2 mins before work when he is not being paid? somehow I dont think you would get away with that. If someone sacked me becasue I had a cig on my way to work I would take them to the cleaners! Maybe if you took yourself to the cleaners then people wouldn't be able to tell you were a filthy smoker. I don't know whether you smokers have noticed, but you stink when you smoke, and people who have will power and a brain don't want to smell you. As the role is a customer facing role, and we had complaints from customers, it is absolutely legal to send someone home without pay - and terminate for repeated breaches. Just the same as if the employee smells for any other reason besides a medical condition. If that makes me Adolph in smokers' eyes, fine. In fact, I am doing the exact opposite, I am trying to make it so stupid smokers live longer! P.S. Agree with the comment about the cricket team, I am English remember. I have two international teams I go for - England and anyone vs Australia. It is pretty unlikely an Australian person would start supporting Oldham, don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Maybe if you took yourself to the cleaners then people wouldn't be able to tell you were a filthy smoker. I don't know whether you smokers have noticed, but you stink when you smoke, and people who have will power and a brain don't want to smell you. As the role is a customer facing role, and we had complaints from customers, it is absolutely legal to send someone home without pay - and terminate for repeated breaches. Just the same as if the employee smells for any other reason besides a medical condition. If that makes me Adolph in smokers' eyes, fine. In fact, I am doing the exact opposite, I am trying to make it so stupid smokers live longer! P.S. Agree with the comment about the cricket team, I am English remember. I have two international teams I go for - England and anyone vs Australia. It is pretty unlikely an Australian person would start supporting Oldham, don't you think? Just to clarify, I never said that you were Australian! You misunderstood. I am English too remember and please remember that I stayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInAus Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 You are a real asset to the NHS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandLatic Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Just to point out most of us make 'selfish' decisions every day, smokers have just become a convenient scapegoat. Most people eat too much salt, too much saturated fat, too much sugar, exercise too little, don't eat enough vegetables, drink too much alcohol, all things we know are proven to be bad for you and can cause a multitude of diseases. Nobody is complaining about people who have a half time pie I notice. My point is, to pick out smokers and smugly tell them what a burden they are on our NHS is pretty ridiculous considering the majority of us are probably doing the same just through different means via our own bad choices. I don't like the smell, I can't see the point in it but it's their choice. Every time you eat more than your GDA of fat or drink over the recommended daily alcohol intake I assume you absolve yourself of your sins by flogging... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Just to point out most of us make 'selfish' decisions every day, smokers have just become a convenient scapegoat. Most people eat too much salt, too much saturated fat, too much sugar, exercise too little, don't eat enough vegetables, drink too much alcohol, all things we know are proven to be bad for you and can cause a multitude of diseases. Nobody is complaining about people who have a half time pie I notice. My point is, to pick out smokers and smugly tell them what a burden they are on our NHS is pretty ridiculous considering the majority of us are probably doing the same just through different means via our own bad choices. I don't like the smell, I can't see the point in it but it's their choice. Every time you eat more than your GDA of fat or drink over the recommended daily alcohol intake I assume you absolve yourself of your sins by flogging... In fairness, obesity and obese people do get in the neck as well. Have you heard the chant 'who ate all the Pies'? I've never heard the equivalent for smoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Just to point out most of us make 'selfish' decisions every day, smokers have just become a convenient scapegoat. Most people eat too much salt, too much saturated fat, too much sugar, exercise too little, don't eat enough vegetables, drink too much alcohol, all things we know are proven to be bad for you and can cause a multitude of diseases. Nobody is complaining about people who have a half time pie I notice. My point is, to pick out smokers and smugly tell them what a burden they are on our NHS is pretty ridiculous considering the majority of us are probably doing the same just through different means via our own bad choices. I don't like the smell, I can't see the point in it but it's their choice. Every time you eat more than your GDA of fat or drink over the recommended daily alcohol intake I assume you absolve yourself of your sins by flogging... The difference being that smokers can directly harm others as a result of their actions (alcohol has the potential to, but a bit more dependent on the individual). That's just me nitpicking, though. I'm firmly in the let-'em-have-a-tab camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) Just to point out most of us make 'selfish' decisions every day, smokers have just become a convenient scapegoat. Most people eat too much salt, too much saturated fat, too much sugar, exercise too little, don't eat enough vegetables, drink too much alcohol, all things we know are proven to be bad for you and can cause a multitude of diseases. Nobody is complaining about people who have a half time pie I notice. My point is, to pick out smokers and smugly tell them what a burden they are on our NHS is pretty ridiculous considering the majority of us are probably doing the same just through different means via our own bad choices. I don't like the smell, I can't see the point in it but it's their choice. Every time you eat more than your GDA of fat or drink over the recommended daily alcohol intake I assume you absolve yourself of your sins by flogging... Just to point out, my original complaint about smoking wasnt people smoking. I couldnt care less what people do. I hang around with a vile mob of drug abusing :censored:, but I dont judge them, its up to them. Idont really care whether they are a burden, the NHS will still be available to me as a non smoker. Its that people should be more interested in the club investing their time wiser than debating whether a smoking shelter should be put in place in the Rocky Road end!! Edited February 14, 2014 by youngen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 "You're a burden! You're a burden! A burden on the NHS, A BUUUURDEN ON THE NHS!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Ooh ahh tabs are cool say ooh ahh tabs are cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Japan and Mediterrenean countries smoke like chimneys compared to us but they live until ripe old ages. Smoking doesn't cause much of a problem if it isn't on top of a lifetime of eating & drinking truck loads of processed food & refined sugar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Ooh ahh tabs are cool say ooh ahh tabs are cool "We are Oldham, we'll eat what we want!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 According to this report, http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_121.pdf smoking costs society over £15bn per year. Only £2.5bn of that is cost to the NHS, so if the other figure of £5.2bn is used for cost to the NHS, it is more like £17.5bn. That's £5bn more than what is made from tax associated with smoking, it will probably be more as when that report was commissioned the tax from smoking was more like £9bn. I love these reports that measure, "the cost to society." They assume that we exist to boost GDP. Anyway, it's plain wrong financially. We all die, and the Treasury is quids in if it happens fairly close to retirement age.t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandLatic Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 The difference being that smokers can directly harm others as a result of their actions (alcohol has the potential to, but a bit more dependent on the individual). That's just me nitpicking, though. I'm firmly in the let-'em-have-a-tab camp. fat people can cause damage to others if dropped from height... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorelatic Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Can someone please explain to me how a topic that relates to the New Stand has suddenly become a cultural debate on the issue of smoking and cost to the NHS - can we please get back on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 They assume that we exist to boost GDP. Only after we've paid our taxes. One step at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Can someone please explain to me how a topic that relates to the New Stand has suddenly become a cultural debate on the issue of smoking and cost to the NHS - can we please get back on topic. I love threads where this happens. Don't fight it, go with the flow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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