chris_ktf Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 He's been mentioned a bit on another thread, but can't believe he hasn't come in for a more thorough analysis. Can we have a debate About HIS responsibility for HIS performance. The service point is valid to a point, but to me it's totally masking the issue. He doesn't appear to have a first touch. He can't / won't jump. He doesn't bring others in. His passing is poor. He doesn't win headers. He's lightweight. He looks 'busy' but won't challenge. He actually looks like he can't run. Nearly all of the above are about desire. An he's got none. He's slowly morphing into keigan Parker. For the wage he's on- the biggest dissapontment of the squad by a country mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I think he'll come good. He wins a great ratio of headers and flick-ons, but it shouldn't be him having to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisA Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Don't mention players who can't run. It is a service issue. Last week he came on at Brentford and was out wide crossing the ball in. He needs to be in the middle finishing chances but the lack of crosses must be frustrating. I don't doubt with good service he will score goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 He's a 5"10 striker who is being expected to compete for headers against 6"3 and taller centre-backs. How his jumping or flick-ons are criticised I do not know. He's a strong man, not a tall man and LJ has to distinguish between the two. The ball needs to be played to his feet. However where he is frustrating is his movement - he runs into dead ends. Comparing him to Ibehre yesterday showed me just how little Rooney participates. Ibehre came short for it, ran beyond defenders and eventually got his goal after giving the defenders a torrid time. Colchester didn't even hoofball to him either, it was measured passing to a player who made all the correct moves. I've yet to see Rooney cause half as much problems for any opposition defence. There is no place for him in the team until he can give valuable contribution that MacDonald and JCH give us. MacDonald's movement is so much more smart and JCH gets into the right positions and can shield the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_ktf Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share Posted December 22, 2013 Both replies on about service again. Always other people's fault. The team, the set up, the manger, the service. What about him?? Credit to Johnson I think he agrees. Rooney has been played less an less. When needed a goal yesterday our main striker got subbed for a kid. I'll be stunned if they don't try an move him on in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalalajpkalala Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I think he'll come good. He wins a great ratio of headers and flick-ons, but it shouldn't be him having to do that. You must have watched a different game to me yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 He's been a big disappointment. Is he on a similar wage to Baxter? If so, then that was not a good piece of business. He's slow, heavy footed with a poor first touch. He never looks like he might pose any danger let alone score. I expected a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_ktf Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share Posted December 22, 2013 He's a 5"10 striker who is being expected to compete for headers against 6"3 and taller centre-backs. How his jumping or flick-ons are criticised I do not know. He's a strong man, not a tall man and LJ has to distinguish between the two. The ball needs to be played to his feet. However where he is frustrating is his movement - he runs into dead ends. Comparing him to Ibehre yesterday showed me just how little Rooney participates. Ibehre came short for it, ran beyond defenders and eventually got his goal after giving the defenders a torrid time. Colchester didn't even hoofball to him either, it was measured passing to a player who made all the correct moves. I've yet to see Rooney cause half as much problems for any opposition defence. There is no place for him in the team until he can give valuable contribution that MacDonald and JCH give us. MacDonald's movement is so much more smart and JCH gets into the right positions and can shield the ball. So we don't expect him to win headers an flick ons- but we do expect him to be on the end of a cross with his head? What's the difference? Heading IMO is a massive part of a strikers game. We seem to be actively defending the fact he can't/ won't jump. He shrinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 He creates nothing for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 So we don't expect him to win headers an flick ons- but we do expect him to be on the end of a cross with his head? What's the difference? Heading IMO is a massive part of a strikers game. We seem to be actively defending the fact he can't/ won't jump. He shrinks. Pretty much, yes. Look at players like Wayne Rooney, they rarely flick-on headers but are clinical heading in front of goals. It's a totally different skill. I just cannot understand how we can expect Adam to be beating 6"4 centre-halfs for headers. Ask any defender and they'll tell you a stationary header from a long ball is easy to deal with, especially when you're competing against a guy 6 inches shorter than you. Where he can and should be beating players for headers is in the box where he's got forwards momentum, getting into positions that defenders can't track. He's not doing this, and when he does his headers have been off target. As O4U says, he doesn't create enough for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 He's a fraud, looks the part but there's nothing there. Was it 8k a week he was on at Birmingham/Swindon? Him and his agent must have been laughing their cocks off when they got that signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Funny... When he signed there was plenty of posters on here telling the world what an amazing signing he was... 6 months later some of the same posters want him gone because a league 1 striker doesn't live up to the standards they set for him! Pop quiz: Who is it? A Kiegan Parker B Adam Rooney C Robbie Simpson Same old :censored:! Different season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Same people defending him, week in, week out. "It's everyone else" / "he get's no service" / "Don't lump it up to him"...the excuses go on and on... He has been :censored: for us. That second half corner 10-15 mins from the end was there for the taking yesterday and he got nowhere near it. He is too weak in the air and too slow on the ground. He is most probably our top earner and would be 4th choice striker if everyone else was fit. Charlie Mac (when fit), JCH and Philliskirk are all worth 5 of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Funny... When he signed there was plenty of posters on here telling the world what an amazing signing he was... 6 months later some of the same posters want him gone because a league 1 striker doesn't live up to the standards they set for him! Pop quiz: Who is it? A Kiegan Parker B Adam Rooney C Robbie Simpson Same old :censored:! Different season! :censored: all funny about it. I for one, was glad we signed a player who looked like he wanted it. He doesn't even resemble the same player. While we are on it, do you think people shouldn't have criticized Parker and we should have kept him then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#dickovout Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 He did get some decent service yesterday. I counted four times where he had an opportunity to get a header on target an he closed his eyes an missed all four headers. He looks like he's actually scared of a football. The pretending to jump thing is just embarrassing now. It's a shame as we all want him to do well but he just doesn't seem up to the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 :censored: all funny about it. I for one, was glad we signed a player who looked like he wanted it. He doesn't even resemble the same player. While we are on it, do you think people shouldn't have criticized Parker and we should have kept him then? When did he look like he wanted it, before we signed him? No Parker was :censored: lol but people loved him when we signed him and then turned when he didn't score 15 plus goals, that was my point But while we are at it....Tarky was criticised by many on here last season, should we have kept him? Fickle bunch OWTBs posters.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 What type of striker is he? (Cue sarcy response) No seriously what's his strength? If he's not a target man because he doesn't win enough headers and hold the ball up enough. If he's a penalty box striker why isn't he getting in enough positions to finish of moves. He's no pace so he can't run onto through balls. He's not a number 10 who links up with the midfield. He does put in a shift but not in a sense that Paul warne did and pressed the ball high up the pitch. The last 2 games I've struggled to see what he brings to the table. He may still come good but I would have hoped for a bit more than what we've had so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 What did Swindon and Inverness do that got the goals from him? http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=43228 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 When did he look like he wanted it, before we signed him? No Parker was :censored: lol but people loved him when we signed him and then turned when he didn't score 15 plus goals, that was my point But while we are at it....Tarky was criticised by many on here last season, should we have kept him? Fickle bunch OWTBs posters.... Nowt fickle about it pal, it's people having an opinion. I would much rather that on here than telling him or booing him at the match. He looked pretty decent in pre season and not been the same player since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) Nowt fickle about it pal, it's people having an opinion. I would much rather that on here than telling him or booing him at the match. He looked pretty decent in pre season and not been the same player since. It is very much about opinions and many on here change theirs depending on a win or a loss and that in my opinion is fickle... Although I do agree with you that people should vent on here rather than undermine a young players confidence during a game. And my point about Tarky is, if we got rid of players based on a few bad performances or on what many of our fans think then we as a club would be :censored:e. Players lose form not talent Edited December 22, 2013 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_ktf Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share Posted December 22, 2013 Funny... When he signed there was plenty of posters on here telling the world what an amazing signing he was... 6 months later some of the same posters want him gone because a league 1 striker doesn't live up to the standards they set for him! Pop quiz: Who is it? A Kiegan Parker B Adam Rooney C Robbie Simpson Same old :censored:! Different season! The thing is with them three, they've got a modicum of talent, they have a performance in them. It's just once in a blue moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Football is a short career and it's up to those who get the chance to not let it drift away. I have been watching it for nigh on 40 years and seen plenty waste a career, its easily done and I can see this being another unless he pulls his finger out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC0AFC Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Pretty much, yes. Look at players like Wayne Rooney, they rarely flick-on headers but are clinical heading in front of goals. It's a totally different skill. I just cannot understand how we can expect Adam to be beating 6"4 centre-halfs for headers. Ask any defender and they'll tell you a stationary header from a long ball is easy to deal with, especially when you're competing against a guy 6 inches shorter than you. Where he can and should be beating players for headers is in the box where he's got forwards momentum, getting into positions that defenders can't track. He's not doing this, and when he does his headers have been off target. As O4U says, he doesn't create enough for himself. exactly what ive been saying.. as a centre half myself i fancy winning 9/10 header against lads that are smaller then me, unless they're 6'2 or above a striker shouldn't stand any chance of winning headers against a CB! we should be playing it into his feet, but that's rooneys problem that he isn't creating anything himself! but please do NOT criticise a 5'10" striker for not winning a header against a 6'3 centre half!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_ktf Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share Posted December 22, 2013 Pretty much, yes. Look at players like Wayne Rooney, they rarely flick-on headers but are clinical heading in front of goals. It's a totally different skill. I just cannot understand how we can expect Adam to be beating 6"4 centre-halfs for headers. Ask any defender and they'll tell you a stationary header from a long ball is easy to deal with, especially when you're competing against a guy 6 inches shorter than you. Where he can and should be beating players for headers is in the box where he's got forwards momentum, getting into positions that defenders can't track. He's not doing this, and when he does his headers have been off target. As O4U says, he doesn't create enough for himself. He hasn't played man mountains every week. I don't necessarily expect him to win every header, but I do expect him to compete. To look for the second ball, if he loses the initial header. He's very cute at giving the impression he's being lent on- he will be when he tucks himself under a guys chest. As you say he even worse in the box where his lack movement and/or anticipation is frightening. He hardly ever gambles. I've been to nearly every home game, an he's produced once. Against vale. Not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I'm sure he stands a little taller than 5:10 I think he looks atleast 6ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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