disjointed Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I have pondered the desire of many Scots to break free from the subsidies of England to subjugate themselves to Germany and the rest of Europe. Independence I get. The idea of then immediately rejoining political union elsewhere while having a currency union with the country you no longer wish to be part of baffles me This is about anti English sentiment, for hundreds of years people in prominence have told the masses about the bad people south of the border. Some believe it, and in these enlightened days you can finally get to vote on it. If this is what they want then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 If this is what they want then so be it. It's pretty much where I am on the subject. You'd have thought Salmond would have had a bit more work done on the detail though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share Posted May 25, 2014 In 1989 I went for a holiday with my family in Yugoslavia. A year later it was in a state of war as political parties and their supporters wanted to protect their own which resulted in former friends and neighbours murdering each other because of small differences. There was so much confusion in the region, take the war within a war for instance. The military arm of the right wing, Christian political party HDC - the HOS/HVO - had units operating in the Bosnian Lasva region that burned Muslims in their homes. Boban died before he was tried for these war crimes, they got Kordic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Interesting result. I'm not sure the Lib Dems will be a viable party after the election. Can Labour afford still to attack Euro-scepticism when it's majority view and with Ukip starting to take chunks in their urban heartlands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Interesting result. I'm not sure the Lib Dems will be a viable party after the election. Can Labour afford still to attack Euro-scepticism when it's majority view and with Ukip starting to take chunks in their urban heartlands? Hardly, UKIP (as did all parties) got tiny percentages of the electorate. The euro-scepticism is loud but hardly the majority view. The majority view is indifference or status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Hardly, UKIP (as did all parties) got tiny percentages of the electorate. The euro-scepticism is loud but hardly the majority view. The majority view is indifference or status quo. I seriously doubt many people are in favour of the EU as it is, never mind ever closer union Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share Posted May 27, 2014 From the Economist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share Posted May 27, 2014 Just read this, fairly interesting... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-party-become-frankensteins-monster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Just read this, fairly interesting... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-party-become-frankensteins-monster I do regret that they jump on any bandwagon rather than keeping to the issue. But that's democracy for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 The EU is the frankenstein monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 It's time to start looking up general election odds. Lib Dems to finish with fewer than 10 seats could be a winner. Hung parliament with Greens, DUP and nationalists holding the balance of power (they're all closer to Labour than to Tories)? Politics in this country is fundamentally unstable, so betting on anything is probably dumb. It's almost as if Britain's political leadership has no clue what's happening. Pissing about banning books while long-standing beneficial constitutional settlements fall to pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 It's time to start looking up general election odds. Lib Dems to finish with fewer than 10 seats could be a winner. Hung parliament with Greens, DUP and nationalists holding the balance of power (they're all closer to Labour than to Tories)? Politics in this country is fundamentally unstable, so betting on anything is probably dumb. It's almost as if Britain's political leadership has no clue what's happening. Pissing about banning books while long-standing beneficial constitutional settlements fall to pieces. 10 might be pushing it, but 15 could be a winner. When's the last time the leader of one of the big 3 political parties lost their seat at a General Election, as Clegg is looking quite likely, especially after he sold the students down the river. What's that N. Irish party that has an agreement with the Tories, is it the UUP? I'm not sure the Greens are going to keep their seat, but I'd agree that depending on how the independence vote goes in Scotland, the Nationalist parties may have all the cards, as 10 seats combined across Wales and Scotland looks feasible. What's the rule about Sinn Fein, do they count in terms of a majority or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Continued high polls for Tories and UKIP persuades the Scots they want out. 70 fewer lefty MPs to worry about and an unstopable anti EU rump in England. Goodbye to Edinburgh and Brussels and a big tax cut all in one move. Sorry, I just came. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 You have just got to love the hypocrisy of Blair. What a complete and utter :censored:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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